Windows on ARM report: Why AMD & Intel laptops are often (still) the better choice over Snapdragon laptops

[indy]

A Chinese corporation stealing technology from a Western Country? This is completely unprecedented!

As if any bordered entity is any more trustworthy than another?

[indy]

A laptop that gets "x" hours of uptime today, will likely get a significant fewer amount of hours over the laptop's lifetime.

Having that buffer is pretty important for people that work in an environment where they don't necessarily want to be thinking about plugging in at all (like a trial attorney using laptop for 12+hours a day and juggling numerous things, as for an example I can attest to personally.)

[opckieran]

tell me when did the US compensate China for inventing paper, writing, gunpowder, and the compass, or printing? and please remember literally all of those things were precursors to modern technology and innovations in computing or helped create their respective successors.

Those patents have long expired ;) I'm sure China was well-compensated for their technological contributions throughout human history through increased trade. (And if you have to have to go back hundreds or thousands of years, I don't have to explain how paper-thin that makes your argument.) It's no excuse for China to start ripping off other countries today.

[indy]

tell me when did the US compensate China for inventing paper, writing, gunpowder, and the compass, or printing? and please remember literally all of those things were precursors to modern technology and innovations in computing or helped create their respective successors.

Those patents have long expired ;) I'm sure China was well-compensated for their technological contributions throughout human history through increased trade. (And if you have to have to go back hundreds or thousands of years, I don't have to explain how paper-thin that makes your argument.) It's no excuse for China to start ripping off other countries today.

Copying Is Not Theft

[Benji]

Microsoft caught DeepSeek downloading massive amounts of data from OpenAIs dev API, they aren't superior, they stole it.

Who cares? First, no statement from the American government or companies adjacent to them can be trusted, as """current events""" over the past few years have shown us time and time again. Second, it's well known the chinese think it's normal to lie, steal and cheat to get ahead. Of course they would have stolen it if they could. So even if it's true, the only thing that matters to me is the final result for the end user. A cheaper, faster, better and OPEN model is objectively better for the end user. All the "tech corporations" and their cronies in the US government and 3 letter agencies can... [this statement would likely be too crass for the forum rules, so it will be omitted]

[Worgarthe]

No thanks.  I'm fed up with Windows post version 8.1.  I have 7 new Windows 7/8.1 capable/era mini-PCs stored up in my closet to last the "tech outage" until Huawei or Xiaomi unveils custom PC OS running on self made non-Intel non-Qualcomms chipsets.  If China's Deepseek has proven superior to ChatGPT in terms of resource usage, so too will the PC OSes from Xiaomi and Huawei!

Microsoft caught DeepSeek downloading massive amounts of data from OpenAIs dev API, they aren't superior, they stole it.

Mmm, but when OpenAI is blatantly stealing then it's all good, right? That's pRoGrEsS. When someone steals from them - oh the evil thieves 😱

😅😅

[LOL]

If you want proper ARM, get a Mac or Macbook.

x86 will go the way of the dinosaur, everything will be emulated, while Windows have to make do with what Qualcomm or Microsoft/Samsung offers.

Macs are better for work anyway. Keep a Windows x86 machine for gaming if that's what you want.

[LOL]

No thanks.  I'm fed up with Windows post version 8.1.  I have 7 new Windows 7/8.1 capable/era mini-PCs stored up in my closet to last the "tech outage" until Huawei or Xiaomi unveils custom PC OS running on self made non-Intel non-Qualcomms chipsets.  If China's Deepseek has proven superior to ChatGPT in terms of resource usage, so too will the PC OSes from Xiaomi and Huawei!

Your opinion on the DeepSeek matter really depends on what kind of country you think China is. Nothing more needs to be said.

P.S: Enjoy the tariffs, sanctions and more fun coming soon.

Microsoft caught DeepSeek downloading massive amounts of data from OpenAIs dev API, they aren't superior, they stole it.

Mmm, but when OpenAI is blatantly stealing then it's all good, right? That's pRoGrEsS. When someone steals from them - oh the evil thieves 😱

😅😅

[opckieran]

tell me when did the US compensate China for inventing paper, writing, gunpowder, and the compass, or printing? and please remember literally all of those things were precursors to modern technology and innovations in computing or helped create their respective successors.

Those patents have long expired ;) I'm sure China was well-compensated for their technological contributions throughout human history through increased trade. (And if you have to have to go back hundreds or thousands of years, I don't have to explain how paper-thin that makes your argument.) It's no excuse for China to start ripping off other countries today.

Copying Is Not Theft

You just undermined your own prior premise. Congrats.

[A]

tell me when did the US compensate China for inventing paper, writing, gunpowder, and the compass, or printing? and please remember literally all of those things were precursors to modern technology and innovations in computing or helped create their respective successors.

Wait, what? You are aware that just cause someone invents something doesn't mean they own it till the ends of time. Everything has a stature of limitation. And none of what you mentioned was invented by China. While some of it was invented by someone who happened to be in China at the time, it has nothing to do with modern country of China. For all we know, even the distant relatives of the people who invented it don't exist today.

In case of paper, it was for example invented in Egypt. Just a process that is more like modern paper was made in Han empire, and he was an Eunuch. So no one alive today is even related to him.

If you want proper ARM, get a Mac or Macbook.

x86 will go the way of the dinosaur, everything will be emulated, while Windows have to make do with what Qualcomm or Microsoft/Samsung offers.

Macs are better for work anyway. Keep a Windows x86 machine for gaming if that's what you want.

I found Macs unusable for work.

x86 isn't going anywhere soon. If anything, ARM is more likely to disappear before x86 does. Apple and Qualcomm just user ARM instructions and use their own designs. The rest are mostly budget vendors.

There is now interest in RISC-V to bypass ARM so that they don't have to deal with ARM's royalty which is only getting more expensive.

[S]

For sure, WoA has 0 chance. They've had 10 years now and a multi trillion dollar company behind them. It's clear where their motives lie.

However, considering just how unpopular windows is getting to the general public, I don't think this is the end of arm for desktop.

It could still potentially pave the way / give rise for Arm taking off on desktop Linux, given Microsoft's continued fumbling.

[GeorgeS]

For sure, WoA has 0 chance. They've had 10 years now and a multi trillion dollar company behind them. It's clear where their motives lie.

However, considering just how unpopular windows is getting to the general public, I don't think this is the end of arm for desktop.

It could still potentially pave the way / give rise for Arm taking off on desktop Linux, given Microsoft's continued fumbling.

Sadly, as long as there are industry segments compiling their applications ONLY for Windows API's those segments will be stuck with Microsoft and Windows.

Along the same lines, as long as there are industry segments compiling their applications ONLY for x86 those segments will be stuck with Intel & AMD.

Frankly, the average consumer really could not care less WHAT underlying CPU or even Operating system a device has, as long as it is USEFUL for their use case.