Tesla Model S sets house on fire when charged directly from the powerline for free

[Redaktion]

An illegal powerline hookup tried to circumvent the electricity meter for free charging with rather predictable results.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-Model-S-sets-house-on-fire-when-charged-directly-from-the-powerline-for-free.872704.0.html

[Goberman]

California + Tesla + Tijuana + illegal wiring = road to success

Also yeah, Tesla report on fires is a joke, they've included even ICE cars that caught fire because of campfire or arson. That report also has some pearls like "our batteries degrade 15% in 200000 miles" without mentioning that you have to actually drive those miles non-stop, and climate has to be mild, because they also degrade of age and they degrade because of climate, because they have to keep themselves cold/warm and cycle.

[A]

Also yeah, Tesla report on fires is a joke, they've included even ICE cars that caught fire because of campfire or arson.

Not sure which part of that is a joke? EV catches on fire due to campfire or arson and somehow that should count, but not for ICE cars? Double standards much?

That report also has some pearls like "our batteries degrade 15% in 200000 miles" without mentioning that you have to actually drive those miles non-stop, and climate has to be mild, because they also degrade of age and they degrade because of climate, because they have to keep themselves cold/warm and cycle.

There was an article a short while back of a Model 3 driving 200,000 miles over 6 years and only having 9-10% degradation.

Also, climate doesn't have that much of an impact on lifespan when an EV has proper thermal management system like Tesla. It is only a problem for those who don't include a passive system like Nissan Leaf

[Qwentyn]

EV catches on fire due to campfire or arson and somehow that should count

Different distributin of causes. ICE catch fire when owners are stupid. EV catch fire in car accidents, which is more dangerous because people can be inside.

There was an article a short while back of a Model 3 driving 200,000 miles over 6 years and only having 9-10% degradation.

I call bs unless he has charged it, ran it until it's dead while streaming/filming the process non-stop, and showed the actual mileage it ran on a single charge. I bet his battery is at around 70% best case. Or you will be like "oh no, tesla PR department would never hire youtubers".

Also, climate doesn't have that much of an impact on lifespan when an EV has proper thermal management system like Tesla

On what power source does that system run? Battery. Car is going through its mileage when you have no idea about it. The more extreme the weather is, the more hidden battery mileage you get. If weather is too extreme for conditioning system to cope (basically almost every harsh winter or heatwave), battery get even more wear.

[jimbo]

only 7 of them catch fire for various reasons. For comparison, ICE cars ignite nearly 9 times times more often on average.

Not considering there's 14x more ICE cars on the road. And some of them are 30yrs old w/unsafe/unmaintained mechanicals.

[Goberman]

only 7 of them catch fire for various reasons

You can open google and find much more.

Idk, believing in "EV car producer busted myth about EV cars by posting "no it's not" paper online" is like zero critical thinking.

[A]

Different distributin of causes. ICE catch fire when owners are stupid. EV catch fire in car accidents, which is more dangerous because people can be inside.

What? ICE cars can catch fire for all kinds of reasons from crashes to a spark igniting the fumes. If you have a minor leak from wear and tear, someone smoking from other side of the street can if you are not lucky cause your ICE car to catch fire.

As mentioned, EVs are multiple times less likely to catch on fire. And in the case they do, they reroute the fire outside of the passenger compartment

I call bs unless he has charged it, ran it until it's dead while streaming/filming the process non-stop, and showed the actual mileage it ran on a single charge. I bet his battery is at around 70% best case. Or you will be like "oh no, tesla PR department would never hire youtubers".

Not BS at all, there are even 3rd party companies that keep track of this stuff. The 15% loss after 200k miles is average, them getting 9-10% likely means they outperformed average. Of course there would be some who get less than average too.

On what power source does that system run? Battery. Car is going through its mileage when you have no idea about it. The more extreme the weather is, the more hidden battery mileage you get. If weather is too extreme for conditioning system to cope (basically almost every harsh winter or heatwave), battery get even more wear.

Not really, cold has little impact on lifespan. Heat may have impact, but that is what thermal management is for. Humans don't live in a conditions that is too much for the system to cope.

[Qwentyn]

If you have a minor leak from wear and tear,

)) Leak from where? Wear and tear of what? You are overestimating the auto-flammability of ICE cars. What they did is just completely skewed data by making it "per million miles". Data amounts are incomparable, so it's rigged in favor of EV. What we see in reality is almost every serious crash with EV ends with a fire, while ICEs smash into smitherens and still fine (not in the movies though).

The 15% loss after 200k miles is average

I know a guy with 4% battery loss but 10% range loss. And again those 200K miles have to be done the sooner the better, not like normal people with 15K... maybe 20K/year. That's why EV are popular in taxi - they manage to reap the initial period of lower service costs and just sell those destroyed cars with weird batteries cheap.

Not really, cold has little impact on lifespan.

Battery heater has an impact on lifespan. Everything that works behind the scenes and uses charge thus making you do more cycles has an impact.

Humans don't live in a conditions that is too much for the system to cope.

I knew people in Egypt and UAE are fake. More coping = more wasted charge = more cycles = more battery wear. Easy. Both hot and cold.

[A]

)) Leak from where? Wear and tear of what? You are overestimating the auto-flammability of ICE cars. What they did is just completely skewed data by making it "per million miles". Data amounts are incomparable, so it's rigged in favor of EV. What we see in reality is almost every serious crash with EV ends with a fire, while ICEs smash into smitherens and still fine (not in the movies though).

Quite funny for someone who is overestimating the flammability of EVs.

In US alone, every 5 minutes an ICE car catches on fire. It's a common occurrence, so common that no one cares. There was a car fire I saw just the other week, doesn't make the news at all. Because it didn't block traffic so nobody cared because of how common it is

An EV catches on fire anywhere in the world for any reason, guarantee you it will make the world news. Precisely because of how rare it is, thus making it news worthy

I remember there was an incident when an EV caught on fire in a garage, was all over global news for weeks. Then after fire department investigation, they found the cause of the fire was the ICE car parked next to it. Guess how many news outlets made a correction? Only a few local ones, not a single national or global paper.

I know a guy with 4% battery loss but 10% range loss. And again those 200K miles have to be done the sooner the better, not like normal people with 15K... maybe 20K/year. That's why EV are popular in taxi - they manage to reap the initial period of lower service costs and just sell those destroyed cars with weird batteries cheap.

Based on what do you say they have a 4% battery loss but 10% range loss?

Battery heater has an impact on lifespan. Everything that works behind the scenes and uses charge thus making you do more cycles has an impact.

Not significant. I mean do realize something about cycling. Lifespan of batteries varies on how you cycle them. When you do shallow cycles, it has less impact than deep cycles. And most people don't drive to 0 every day

I knew people in Egypt and UAE are fake.

What?

[Goberman]

In US alone, every 5 minutes an ICE car catches on fire.

And you are also skewing data again for dramatic effect, it's just because there's much more ICE cars. And it's mostly not in car accidents.

Based on what do you say they have a 4% battery loss but 10% range loss?

On a range measurement vs. calculated from car data.

An EV catches on fire anywhere in the world for any reason, guarantee you it will make the world news.

Because they catch fire in every accident with battery puncture? Or you will be going against chemistry?

Not significant.

Extremely significant to the point you have to charge you car every day in hot or cold weather. Have you had an EV?

What?

40-50C common temps, hot weather all year long. There is a reason why EVs are not popular in rich UAE/Dubai markets.

[Russ]

"Tesla shared the stats that for each million miles driven with its electric cars, only 7 of them catch fire for various reasons. For comparison, ICE cars ignite nearly 9 times times more often on average."
So 1,000,000/7=142,857/9=20,408. So Tesla's on average catch fire every 143k miles, and ICE cars catch fire every 20k miles?  Weird I have driven ICE cars about 1 million miles in my 45 years of driving and are yet to have my first fire when I should have had 40+ fires...
I suspect those stats are per 100 MILLION miles?  Very sloppy...

[A]

And you are also skewing data again for dramatic effect, it's just because there's much more ICE cars. And it's mostly not in car accidents.

If you count the cars on the road and factor that in EVs still ~10x less likely to catch on fire.

On a range measurement vs. calculated from car data.

So not on a dynamo to insure that you have no variables?

Because they catch fire in every accident with battery puncture? Or you will be going against chemistry?

That is false, you have to puncture a battery cell, just puncturing the battery alone will not start a fire. As I said, batteries have crumple zones and deflectors that reduce risk of puncture of the cells. In comparison, ICE cars gasoline tanks and engines are much easier to puncture and can cause a fire

Extremely significant to the point you have to charge you car every day in hot or cold weather. Have you had an EV?

I live in a place that can get over 100 degrees and also very cold below 0. I don't need to charge my EV every day. I do it out of convenience of trickle charging, but it can easily last a week on a single charge hot or cold

40-50C common temps, hot weather all year long. There is a reason why EVs are not popular in rich UAE/Dubai markets.

You are saying a country where almost half of government's income being oil and gas, EVs are not popular?

[Nunya]

What a stupid article

[Rocky Gil]

"People burn down their own home after illegally wiring Tesla to a power pole for free electricity"
There, fixed your title and opener. Wild that journalists dismiss grammar; your high school English teacher is so disappointed

[Chris top her Now]

6x more likely. Fuel cars are 60x more likely to catch fire. While yes they are harder to put out with improper equipment. Places are implementing the new electric extinguishers across the country.

You think 20 gallons of fuel just gets put out with water? Both have complications. Ignorant new writer. Hopefully they see this and never utilize your content again. :)