"Conversations around ARM vs x86 power are false" Intel's Robert Hallock on Lunar Lake's strategy and how it is well-poised to challenge ARM's efficiency narrative

[dfgfdg]

Sure, sure.

Bet the reason you are trying to be all funny and sarcastic is you've never ran Docker containers and don't even know what WSL is.

[Worgarthe]

Bet the reason you are trying to be all funny and sarcastic is you've never ran Docker containers and don't even know what WSL is.

Lol, would you look at that, it's a lawyer of another chap.

[dfgfdg]

Lol, would you look at that, it's a lawyer of another chap.

I take your childish passive-aggressive evasion of direct answer as a confirmation that my statement was correct.

[A]

Since I am typing this currently from a laptop with 4th gen intel processor and don't have a lag fest.

It is 100% lie.

I am literally on it right now, it is funny you think my personal experience isn't real when I am literally on it right now. If I were running windows it may be a lagfest, but I am running linux

My old machine with an i7-10870H and 16GB ram is anaemic and I got it early 2022.

It couldn't cope on battery power with 10-15 tabs, WSL, a docker container, VSCode and YouTube in the background without being visibly slow and that meant plenty of lags and occasional freezes. It got better when plugged in, with lots of heat and fan noise but even then it would lag heavily with a few more tabs/Youtube videos idle in the background.

I'd be lucky if the battery lasted more than a few hours (and I'd replaced it myself).

My new X Elite machine almost never has fans that kicks in, it's cool and isn't ever slow.

The gap in efficiency is enormous. Intel's P cores aren't actually power efficient. They're area efficient, meaning that they take less space on the die, allowing them to fit more cores.

H processors are high power consumption and more performance. So those will always eat quite a bit more battery than the U processor made for low power

Also, P cores are performance cores, the power saving cores are E cores.

We will see in September how they compare

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but I am running linux

Linux what, there's a countless number of Linux and DE.
And what CPU exactly.

[A]

but I am running linux

Linux what, there's a countless number of Linux and DE.
And what CPU exactly.

4600u, Linux Mint MATE

[sdvsdv]

4600u

You are proudly running a Raspberry Pi 5 with more power consumption (and desk space).

[lol]

And of course 4600u is laggy, even in Linux. If you don't see it then your workloads are very basic.

[A]

4600u

You are proudly running a Raspberry Pi 5 with more power consumption (and desk space).

The 4600u has only similar multicore performance, but much better single core performance. Which means I have slightly better in terms of cpu. And my gpu is much better, even more so since I have a dgpu

And of course 4600u is laggy, even in Linux. If you don't see it then your workloads are very basic.

My workflow on this computer is mostly web development which while not heavy since I am not compiling on this computer, but it isn't lean either and more than most people use their PC. I have 311 tabs open in chromium and 127 tabs open in firefox, LibreOffice, Thunderbird, pidgin, vscode, kate and filezilla all running

[sdvsdv]

but much better single core performance

There's always N100 SBCs like Radxa X4 if you are so focused on battling $60 SBCs for every geekbench point. It will even be an upgrade.

My workflow on this computer is mostly web development

So basic text editing as expected.

I have 311 tabs open in chromium and 127 tabs open in firefox

Number doesn't matter, 99% of them are unloaded.

I have 311 tabs open in chromium and 127 tabs open in firefox, LibreOffice, Thunderbird, pidgin, vscode, kate and filezilla all running

This stack is very light, I could run it on phone/tablet.

[A]

There's always N100 SBCs like Radxa X4 if you are so focused on battling $60 SBCs for every geekbench point. It will even be an upgrade.

I have a laptop though, a SBC can't replace a laptop. And N100 has weak gpu

So basic text editing as expected.

I have 311 tabs open in chromium and 127 tabs open in firefox

Number doesn't matter, 99% of them are unloaded.

I have 311 tabs open in chromium and 127 tabs open in firefox, LibreOffice, Thunderbird, pidgin, vscode, kate and filezilla all running

This stack is very light, I could run it on phone/tablet.

It is more than what 90% of people do on computers outside of gaming.

[sdvsdv]

I have a laptop though

There's N100 laptops too.

And N100 has weak gpu

Like your 4600u can saturate any good GPU.

It is more than what 90% of people do on computers outside of gaming.

You are underestimating people.

[A]

There's N100 laptops too.

Not as good as many low end laptops skimp on stuff like displays, touchpads, keyboards and etc

Like your 4600u can saturate any good GPU.

Better than the N100

You are underestimating people.

Most people just use their PC for a web browser or basic stuff.

[sdvsdv]

Not as good as many low end laptops skimp on stuff like displays, touchpads, keyboards and etc

Better than the N100

Most people just use their PC for a web browser or basic stuff.

Answer is "no" to all three.

[GeorgeS]

Since I am typing this currently from a laptop with 4th gen intel processor and don't have a lag fest.

It is 100% lie.

I am literally on it right now, it is funny you think my personal experience isn't real when I am literally on it right now. If I were running windows it may be a lagfest, but I am running linux

My current everyday system is a 2013 13" MBP with 2.4 GHz Core i5 (I5-4258U) (this is a Dual Core folks)

- 8GB of memory, 256GB of SSD (87GB available)
- +100 tabs open in Firefox
- 6.8-7GB of memory used
- 2118 threads, 289 processes
- %10-15 CPU load, %90-95 Idle
- 10 applications open

Not at all 'laggy'.

Obviously YMMV.