BYD Seagull price drops below $10,000 as senators urge Biden to boost Chinese EV import tariffs

[Redaktion]

With the new BYD Seagull facelift, Chinese electric car prices have dropped below the $10,000 threshold, way before anybody else has such mass market electric vehicles. More tariffs may be needed to stem their global onslaught.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/BYD-Seagull-price-drops-below-10-000-as-senators-urge-Biden-to-boost-Chinese-EV-import-tariffs.811600.0.html

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"I'm not going to let that happen on my watch," added Biden.
democracy much
just let people try chinese evs and they will never come back to buy another one again?
naaah we need to test if streisand effect is real again

[Gallo123]

So in otherwords the transition to EV was never about the environment to begin with.

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So in otherwords the transition to EV was never about the environment to begin with.

in the long run it was about kicking eu automakers out of comfort zone

[Hunter2020]

I think we paid something like $20k - $25k USD for a brand spanking new but shitty Toyota Camry Hybrid several years.  I can't believe EVs are that cheap now!

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I can't believe EVs are that cheap now!

they are simpler than ICE vehicles and there's a hidden cost, battery

[Piso]

So in otherwords the transition to EV was never about the environment to begin with.

Precisely! The hypocrisy is remarkable.

[Duke Loo]

Can't believe that the US automobile makers can't compete. All I hear is excuses on why E cars don't sell. Trumped up things about spying. I guess China should flood the rest of the world with affordable e cars and the US can get inferior ecars.

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US automobile makers can't compete

us automobile makers are destroyed, half a million cars produced in 2000 and somewhere around'ish Brazil at 190K cars in 2020.
while china did ~zero to 2 billion cars per year in the same period, with #2 japan at 700K and #3 germany with 300K

how can one compete if his production volumes are like ten times less, it's basically a manual labor workshop competing with gigafactory

[GS Pauers]

Nono  , bring the BYD 9700 cars in to the us Biden . You want the change to electric from ice, there You are. Wake up the big 3 over here or dump them . You want electric here's your chance to get started. Let's see if luxury ice people will switch. All the folks You want driving ev can probably afford 9700 and go from there. The whole country of u.s.  working class will buy them, wake up or stay ice. No way will the population pay 20k+ to go ev. When a nice used ice is less than 5k.

[Henry932]

Batteries are suppose to be cheap. Only the Japanese makes you think batteries are expensive & makes you pay high cost for a punny piece of battery. I save so much monthly by driving EV. No more frequent engine oil mentenance. No more expensive gearbox maintenance which gives you the headache despite maintenance. Traditional ICE manufacturers don't want you to use EV cause they will all fold without you paying the costly maintenance to support their business.

[RogerRabbit]

Isn't this capitalism at its best? I make a product that the masses prefer and in the process wipe out competitors? What's the problem? The hypocrisy kills me.

[MikeM]

Amen,RogerRabbit.

This is about protecting unions, not the American Consumer.  If free competition is allowed the US Big 3 can't possibly survive. Tesla maybe until the union gets them too.

[Bkb]

The cost of vehicle can be reduced by state owned enterprise but if the local authorities place a strong regulatory requirements as a clearance for sale of vehicles inland. That is the only way one is going to slow down state owned or state financed firms from dumping products overseas. Firs.of the requirement should only allow EV firms to store the data collected from cars in land. Any AI model training to achieve autonomous driving should be done onshore. There should not be any car information or user information that should move out of the country. 

There is also a need to form a department, EV mgmt, to oversee all firmware upgrades and software data collection points.  And prior to firmware release the manufacturer should get no issue certification.

In the event of compromised safety on cars or user data breach the entire management and the personnel involved in decision making from the car manufacturers firm should face trial inland. Car sold in the US should , trial in the US.

And last of the requirement should put the brakes on cheap EV imports, post the cars useful life the EV battery should be shipped back to the manufacturing country (Origin of production); with no clear disposal policy for car batteries one has to come up with an innovative solution if not send it to space as one way journey.

We are in the early stages of EV life stages and manufacturers are clearly not looking into battery disposal. That in my opinion poses a greater threat to the natural resources.

[A]

I will note that the price in China is not going to be the price in US/EU. That is because US/EU has higher safety standards than China. So even if they go by the same name, they will have changes in them to reflect the safety standards

So far, outside of China first number I've seen is $20,100 for the short range and $23,200 for the long range

That said, it is still a pretty good price and expect EVs to continue getting cheaper and cheaper

The cost of vehicle can be reduced by state owned enterprise but if the local authorities place a strong regulatory requirements as a clearance for sale of vehicles inland. That is the only way one is going to slow down state owned or state financed firms from dumping products overseas. Firs.of the requirement should only allow EV firms to store the data collected from cars in land. Any AI model training to achieve autonomous driving should be done onshore. There should not be any car information or user information that should move out of the country. 

There is also a need to form a department, EV mgmt, to oversee all firmware upgrades and software data collection points.  And prior to firmware release the manufacturer should get no issue certification.

In the event of compromised safety on cars or user data breach the entire management and the personnel involved in decision making from the car manufacturers firm should face trial inland. Car sold in the US should , trial in the US.

Why should this be limited to EVs only? Are you saying it is okay if ICE cars spy on you? why limit it to only EVs?

Though I wonder why people even car about that, I mean how much personal information does your car have? I'd imagine your made in china computer and smartphone carries way more of your personal information than a car

And last of the requirement should put the brakes on cheap EV imports, post the cars useful life the EV battery should be shipped back to the manufacturing country (Origin of production); with no clear disposal policy for car batteries one has to come up with an innovative solution if not send it to space as one way journey.

We are in the early stages of EV life stages and manufacturers are clearly not looking into battery disposal. That in my opinion poses a greater threat to the natural resources.

In US, the warranty on EV drivetrains and battery is 8-10 years. Not to mention the LFP chemistry often used by China is known to be long lasting of 20+ years

As for manufacturers not looking into disposal, not sure where you get that idea. Most already have recycle programs for their batteries, be it in-house or through 3rd party.

Recycling batteries has only been a problem for small electronics, for large batteries like cars in quantity it wasn't really an issue

And with IRA giving tax credits for recycling them, plus counting it towards domestic content requirements. There is even more benefit to recycle them. EU also set a requirement that all batteries must contain at minimum 4% recycled material and all batteries must be clearly labeled for recycling. 4% may not seem like a large amount, but it insures that everyone is thinking about it and builds infrastructure in place. As that % requirement is going to grow