Climate change deniers on YouTube change their minds: New disinformation campaigns reap high profits

[heffeque]

I'm assuming that most people answering this are from the US, where scientific iliteracy is higher than in other 1st world countries.

Normal people from other 1st world countries cringe at Americans denying human's involvement in climate change, as if there are not tons of existing regions already destroyed by human activity, such as the Aral sea (Kazakhstan), the Salton Sea (California), the Bikini Atol (Marshall Islands)...

What they don't seem to understand is that Earth will continue existing, with or without humans. We are basically making our existence more complicated.
If we f*** it up enough, bacterias and other microbes will surely live on, no worries, there have been mass extinctions before.

All in all, even planet Earth will cease to exist at some point, when the sun destroys Earth in 3 or 4 billion years.

So anyway, what some of us are afraid is that we humans make it too complicated for humans to live in... in our lifetime, which seems to be more and more feasible.

A shame for people with children right now: they will get to see how their children and grandchildren will have a really dark and scary future ahead, that's for sure.

[regan]

Aral sea (Kazakhstan), the Salton Sea (California), the Bikini Atol (Marshall Islands)

lol those very minor events are super unrelated
continents have moved and life haven't perished

other 1st world countries cringe at Americans

at some point you will realize US game was to kick you and the likes out of 1st world, but it will be too late
so keep cringing at americans and wasting money on 'stopping climate change', keep fighting your windmills

[anan]

lol those very minor events are super unrelated
continents have moved and life haven't perished

How are people so ignorant to the scale of this climate change!? It's as if the only possible negative outcome they will accept as "concerning" is if life perishes completely. Earth is heating up at an unprecedented rate. Meaning this has never happened before at this rate of speed. And we are being negatively impacted by this. Animals and plants are dying out because they cannot adapt fast enough to these climate changes. I live in central Europe and in my country winters have become milder. This means that more parasites are surviving winters and decimating forests (specifically firs and pines). The same is happening in US.
Sure, life will find a way. Meanwhile many people are being displaced even now - a lot of central Asia traditional farming is made impossible due to increased droughts. The US is coping somehow by virtue of technological advancement. But farming is super negatively impacted by climate change. And it is projected to get even worse.

[Anti-propaganda man]

The U.S. is the last best hope for a free world, once again, unfortunately the climate realism movement in other Western countries is pathetic or non-existent. There's a lot of large organisations in the U.S. working to influence government that there's no good evidence that CO2 is causing warming, and that more CO2 is actually good for the biosphere and thus civilisation in terms of extra crop growth. Recent CATO report that CO2 increases over the current century will lead to a 50% increase in productivity in some crops - https://www.cato.org/blog/projecting-impacts-rising-co2-future-crop-yields-germany

This kind of news which is drastically contradictory to the doom and gloom fake news tends not to be reported. Institutions that have been pushing climate alarmism for 30 years can't really turn around and say they've been wrong all this time. They have to continue.

2023 paper from 37 authors in 18 countries finds global temperature increase can be attributed to a combination of urbanisation around weather stations that weren't designed for long-term measurements, and a measure of solar activity that the IPCC ignores - https://www.ceres-science.com/post/new-study-suggests-global-warming-could-be-mostly-an-urban-problem

Earth is heating up at an unprecedented rate. Meaning this has never happened before at this rate of speed.

Wrong. The oldest thermometer record in the world going back to 1659 shows many changes at the same rate and magnitude as is happening now - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_England_temperature#/media/File:20190731_Central_England_Temperature_(CET)_(annual_mean,_beginning_in_1659).png

[lol]

Animals and plants are dying out

you need to stop reading crap you are reading, animals and plants were always dying out, at quite high rate

I live in central Europe and in my country winters have become milder.

your life is short, you are talking about weather, not climate. every region had mild or rough seasons at some point. very often in succession.

more parasites are surviving winters and decimating forests (specifically firs and pines)

means more predators feeding on these species survive too. and predators of that species. nature is self-balancing, doesn't need your opinion or input to even everything out.

a lot of central Asia traditional farming is made impossible due to increased droughts

there is always someone displaced because of droughts in the world, stop reading whatever biased crap you are reading

coping somehow by virtue of technological advancement

farming is super negatively impacted by climate change

would cope totally fine if not stupid govt legislations, both US and EU. eu farmers are protesting not because their farming is being destroyed by climate change lol, they are protesting because govt doesn't let
them have profit

brainwashed 'climate change' zealots are at large wth

[anan]

Wrong. The oldest thermometer record in the world going back to 1659 shows many changes at the same rate and magnitude as is happening now - Central_England_Temperature_(CET)_(annual_mean,_beginning_in_1659)

Did you actually look at the picture you have linked or are you just paroting this 'fact' from some other source without looking. It clearly shows a warming trend during the last 100 years of > 1 . And even the article where this picture is posted clearly states that this is a result of human caused global warming. Quote from your source:
Both the general warming trend and the hottest year on record at the time, 2014, have been attributed to human-caused climate change using observational and climate model-based techniques. This record was subsequently broken in 2022, when a mean CET of 11.15 C was recorded, 1.68 degrees above the 1961-90 average and breaking the 2014 record by nearly 0.2 Celsius.

[Anti-propaganda man]

Yes I looked at it. Did you? There's a 2C average rise (10-year average) from 1690-1735. There's many other 1C rise and falls through the 19th century at the same rate and magnitude as is happening now. The late-20th century temperature increase is therefore in-line with the natural rate of change. The IPCC and you say the current rate of change is unprecedented. It's not. Yes I am aware that a wikipedia editor and the IPCC said the recent rise has been attributed to human-caused climate change. So what? There is no good evidence that it has (in terms of CO2). The temperature rise is not unusual so it doesn't actually even require an explanation.

The most common response is that the Central England Temperature records are local and not global records. Of course, there are no global records going back that far. There are proxies, but they have other major issues. The CET records for the 20th century match closely global records for that time period, so that's an argument that the records back to 1659 would also match global temperature.

There's so much more to write, many thousands of words in fact. If you're interested in the real debate then I'd advise you as a starting point to look up the names I posted earlier and listen to interviews with them.

Thanks.

[anan]

Yes I looked at it. Did you? There's a 2C average rise (10-year average) from 1690-1735. There's many other 1C rise and falls through the 19th century at the same rate and magnitude as is happening now. The late-20th century temperature increase is therefore in-line with the natural rate of change. The IPCC and you say the current rate of change is unprecedented. It's not. Yes I am aware that a wikipedia editor and the IPCC said the recent rise has been attributed to human-caused climate change. So what? There is no good evidence that it has (in terms of CO2). The temperature rise is not unusual so it doesn't actually even require an explanation.

The most common response is that the Central England Temperature records are local and not global records. Of course, there are no global records going back that far. There are proxies, but they have other major issues. The CET records for the 20th century match closely global records for that time period, so that's an argument that the records back to 1659 would also match global temperature.

There's so much more to write, many thousands of words in fact. If you're interested in the real debate then I'd advise you as a starting point to look up the names I posted earlier and listen to interviews with them.

Thanks.

You are literally cherry picking the data. Smack dab in the middle of the "little ice age".
You are right on one part - your CET example is "very" regional in nature. But it does track the global temperature trend that you can look up in this link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

[Anti-propaganda man]

You are literally cherry picking the data. Smack dab in the middle of the "little ice age".
You are right on one part - your CET example is "very" regional in nature. But it does track the global temperature trend that you can look up in this link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

Yes, I know it's at the end of the Little Ice Age... the point is no-one knows what caused that 2C temperature rise or the other 1C rise and falls throughout the 19th century.

Do you agree with the following statement, YES or NO: "The late-20th century temperature increase is therefore in-line with the natural rate of change. The IPCC and you say the current rate of change is unprecedented. It's not."

Quote from the bottom of the wiki article you posted:

Spontaneous fluctuations in global climate might explain the past variability. It is very difficult to know what the true level of variability from internal causes might be given the existence of other forces, as noted above, whose magnitude may not be known.

[RobertJasiek]

For causes of the Little Ice Age, here is some overview:
de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleine_Eiszeit#Ursachen

[Hotz]

Thanks@Anti-propagandaman for doing the fight against these dumb climate propagandists.

I honestly don't have the energy for that, because every day a new idiot wakes up and parrots every s*** they hear from the media and do not any research themselves of how everything is full of lies, deception and propaganda.

[Anti-propaganda man]

Thanks@Anti-propagandaman for doing the fight against these dumb climate propagandists.

I honestly don't have the energy for that, because every day a new idiot wakes up and parrots every s*** they hear from the media and do not any research themselves of how everything is full of lies, deception and propaganda.

Yes, it's exhausting. There are maybe 50 arguments they have heard and repeat that have to be refuted. I believed climate change was real and probably caused by CO2 for about 20 years, until the past two or three years when I started listening to the real scientific substance of the debate. I'm angry at having been misled for that long and the tactics they use to push this nonsense and silence opposition. The amount of time, money and resources that are being wasted in this global crusade are astronomical.

[heffeque]

Sincerely, it's sad to see what used to be a powerful and educated nation being slowly transformed into a "red vs blue" where everything is 1 or 0, with zero critical thinking, and an ever accelerating society collapse.

Some people thought that Covid would transform societies, and better the human spirit, and... in some cases quite the opposite happened. People drinking bleach, injecting horse medicine... and still denying human-made climate change.

It's sad. Very sad.

[NikoB]

Some people checked the facts and realized that there is no Covid-19 at all. This is about real critical thinking.

And North America has turned into Lilliput, where sharp-pointed and blunt-pointed people argue about how to properly cook "eggs", which, no matter how you look at them, are still the same mafia...

[heffeque]

These are you guys: https://imgur.com/gallery/TOyutm1

It's embarrassing.