Radeon RX 6850M XT performance debut: Lenovo Legion 7 16ARHA7 laptop review

[Redaktion]

Aside from some bugs, the 2022 Legion 7 16 is arguably the best gaming laptop from Lenovo we've seen thus far — no Intel required. Meanwhile, the Raden RX 6850M XT is comparable to the Radeon RX 6800M for better or worse.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Radeon-RX-6850M-XT-performance-debut-Lenovo-Legion-7-16ARHA7-laptop-review.649927.0.html

[NikoB]

This is just a great box for almost silent surfing the Internet! But not more! Hahaha.

And now let's move on to things that are shameful for the AMD version for end of 2022:
The first is the lack of TB4.0 (USB40) with eGPU expander. Second - there is no Display Port 2.0 promised by Lisa for Zen3+. Where is port? For example, in the ThinkPad P16s Gen 1 DP2.0 is announced I will not describe here why it is fake from Intel. The main thing is that it is! =)

Well, for starters, the main shame for AMD in 2022 is that the top mobile processor is 1.5 (!) times weaker in sustained mode than the same processor from Intel, with a difference in consumption of only 12W in PL1 mode! AMD finally lost to Intel all the conquered territory.. ;) The defeat is devastating for AMD from Intel. The "Empire" dealt AMD a crushing blow. RIP AMD... we're plodding along at the end of progress again...

Well, it completes the picture, a poor screen of 2560x1600, instead of 4k@120Hz, and this is in 2022...

If you have pants are full of money, why not buy this "coffin" for relatively quiet surfing? ;) I bought a Dell G5 5587 (exactly for these purposes (and it justified itself here 100% and it weighs, by the way, 2.83 kg, so this is a Lenovo product - lightweight compared to it =)) - coolers practically do not turn on when load up to 30% on the cores. You sit like a silent tablet or smartphone, only the computing power is many times greater ... Even with soft decoding on YouTube 2560x1440 video, it lazily and occasionally turns on at minimum speed. And the Dell G5 5587 comes from 2018...

Well, again, once again, wearily, with despondency, I will write about the shameful tuning of ram in bios from Lenovo. The memory throughput is again much lower than the norm for DDR5 4800, which immediately reflects badly in PhotoWorxx (Photoshop and etc. productivity) test in AIDA64.

[LL]

Another review only for gaming proposes.
 Instead of dozens of gaming benchmarks why not delete some of them that are certainly redundant for content creation benchmarks like Blender GPU Benchmark, Da Vinci Resolve benchmark?

[Ozcanz]

"There is no Thunderbolt support unlike on most Intel-powered gaming laptops."

What about USB 4 that includes TB3 Protocol support as that's now part of the USB-IF's USB 4 Standard?

[Ozcanz]

And from this very Article,  NikoB, this states:


"Left: USB-C 4.0 (40 Gbps + DisplayPort 1.4), USB-C 3.2 Gen. 2 (DisplayPort 1.4)"

And that 40Gbs is in fact TB3 Protocol based with that TB3 Protocol standard being given over by Intel to the USB-IF to be incorporated as part of the USB-IF's USB 4 standard so if fact this laptop will work with an external TB3 GPU Enclosure.

[Lorry]

The price tag of $2600 USD simply destroys any "advantage" it might have over Nvidia laptops.

Especially given that last year's Asus Strix with 6800M was $1600 at launch, and currently goes for $1399.

[NikoB]

"Left: USB-C 4.0 (40 Gbps + DisplayPort 1.4), USB-C 3.2 Gen. 2 (DisplayPort 1.4)"

And that 40Gbs is in fact TB3 Protocol based with that TB3 Protocol standard being given over by Intel to the USB-IF to be incorporated as part of the USB-IF's USB 4 standard so if fact this laptop will work with an external TB3 GPU Enclosure.

If one of the owners confirms the real possibility of connecting an eGPU, there are no questions. But given that this is not a TB3/4 port, eGPU support is in question, although Lenovo claims that this is a USB40 port, they do not write about eGPU anywhere. Well, the question is also immediately - where is Display Port 2.0 ?! At least Zen3+, according to Lisa, supports it.

I draw the attention of all potential buyers that Lenovo lies in psref about supporting 8k@60Hz monitors on the HDMI port. Even a full-fledged HDMI 2.1 with a 48Gb/s transmitter will not output lossless 8k@60Hz even in poor 24-bit 4:4:4 mode. Support for 8k@60 is stated in HDMI 2.1 only with loss of signal quality through DSC compression.

The lossless 8k@60Hz, 24-bit in 4:4:4 mode requires a minimum of 48Gbps of pure data, while HDMI 2.1 can only do 42Gbps without overhead. Only Display Port 2.0 is currently the only fair transport link for 8k monitors in lossless mode. DP2.0 supports 8k@60Hz at 36bit as max mode. But even it is not suitable for monitors with a frame rate (and as usual fast response, although there are monitors that are fast in response at 60Hz) 120-165Hz. Wait for DP2.1 with pure data link around 160-200Gbps...and this link definitely can't be copper anymore. It's just dumb and stupid of developers to try to use copper cables. It's time to switch to optics, and the townsfolk learn to wash their hands and handle optical high-frequency connectors carefully. Actually, everything rests on the ram bandwidth - until it is brought to the minimum 100-120Gbytes/s even in single-channel mode, 8k monitors will lag even in 2D mode. About 8k in 3d games there is no question in the next 15-20 years of course. But for work, 27-40" (326-284 ppi) monitors with 8k resolution  are a treat for the eyes and the quality of text and business graphics is at the level of laser printers.

[NikoB]

We can say unequivocally - AMD is no longer the leader in the processor market. They are again a company lagging behind in everything. Previously, they at least took performance sharply higher than that of Intel and increased battery autonomy with greater performance than Intel. But outstanding performance is now a thing of the past, with Intel taking the lead by just +12W in PL1. At the same time, I note that Intel has an old 10nm process technology. Imagine what it would be like if they also released Alder Lake at 7nm? AMD would have swallowed the dust...

And the prices of AMD processors are no longer so tasty. Interest for AMD is rapidly fading, which is what we are seeing from the collapse in the price of their shares. And by 2024-2025, when Intel finally solves its problems, launches factories and also partially uses TSMC's lines with the most advanced technical processes, how will AMD respond then - a company without factories, standing with outstretched hand in front of TSMC? This is a rhetorical question for investors. And almost rhetorical for those who choose their new platform in 2024+.

[Russell]

We can say unequivocally - AMD is no longer the leader in the processor market. They are again a company lagging behind in everything. Previously, they at least took performance sharply higher than that of Intel and increased battery autonomy with greater performance than Intel. But outstanding performance is now a thing of the past, with Intel taking the lead by just +12W in PL1. At the same time, I note that Intel has an old 10nm process technology. Imagine what it would be like if they also released Alder Lake at 7nm? AMD would have swallowed the dust...

And the prices of AMD processors are no longer so tasty. Interest for AMD is rapidly fading, which is what we are seeing from the collapse in the price of their shares. And by 2024-2025, when Intel finally solves its problems, launches factories and also partially uses TSMC's lines with the most advanced technical processes, how will AMD respond then - a company without factories, standing with outstretched hand in front of TSMC? This is a rhetorical question for investors. And almost rhetorical for those who choose their new platform in 2024+.

No one other than fanboys care if a company that had years of dominance in the market reclaims a spot that they always had an advantage over.
You're speaking as if amd had the lead for ages.
AMD wasn't even there in the same ballpark before zen 2.
AMD was never a real competitor, but intel caused a technological stagnation by resting on it's laurels not only allowing amd to to catch up, and even embarrassingly lost to a company that was many times smaller.
AMD didn't even have a meaningful market share in the laptop department.
But now it does.
But that's not the point.

The point is monopolistic and anti-tech, anti-progress and anti consumer attitude of intel actually made it lose in a department it could've never lost even in the worst made superhero movie...

What did they do from the time of sandybridge to skylake?

They sold the same meltdown infested s**t without making any meaningful changes and marketed them as the most advanced and secure chips.

All those marketing strategies and still paying off, because even tech idiots know about i5, i7 and i3, but ryzen is still an alien term.

They had their place in macs too.




It's not a great story after you do damage control after your own f**kups.
It's not even funny..


And amd not being competitive is not good for consumers... It's probably good for Ryan Shrout and Userbenchmark...but definitely bad for the tech community..

[NikoB]

So I am with both hands for fair and powerful competition. But after all, AMD is, in fact, Intel's excuse from antimonopolists was and is. After all, there are no people who want to challenge Intel's leadership on the planet except for her. Huge China cannot even master the 14nm process technology on its own (just boasted that it can now make 14nm chips "unlimited", but lithographic machines are no better than 90nm).

Actually, there are simply no states and alliances on the planet, except for the Western one, which can oppose something. And the reason is precisely in the underdeveloped civil society, and hence the underdeveloped socio-economic environment, which is fertile ground for the emergence of a layer of talented scientists and engineers. Just think about the fact that China, despite having a population of 1.5 billion like India, has not had a single Nobel laureate in the last 30 years in the natural sciences. In India, the "middle class" as a base for the proliferation of human capital, according to international funds, does not exceed 70 million people! The only Nobel laureate in natural sciences born from China, lived in Hong Kong (a colony of England) and left there even before England handed it over to China.

There is nothing surprising that there are no competitors - there are no communities, societies, states, alliances that can oppose something to the West, but even in it, with the "drive" of human capital, everything is bad and only getting worse. TSMC, like Taiwan, also belong to the "Western" camp. The most advanced alliance on the planet. The Western alliance is losing its technological drive due to the loss of the quality of human capital, more and more diluted with less passionate and inquisitive people from underdeveloped countries with an increasingly slavish mentality. Once capitalism ended in the US and outright socialism began, things got bad for industrial competition as well. Capitalism at the level of large corporations has turned into imperialism (as a means of pressure on less developed states, without any regard for the need for competition in every sector), with less and less chance of success in the technological progress of civilization. Politics and the financial mafia have completely subjugated the real economy.
Of course, the population is fed with tales about AI and other nonsense for illiterate inhabitants, but it is obvious that this is unrealistic and, moreover, critically dangerous with such a mess on the planet and in people's heads.
Indifference flourishes more and more. The larger the population, the more people feel their loneliness if they try to go against the mainstream, like pioneers. Moloch of societies grinds inquisitive and inconvenient more and more effectively. Where in such a world can pioneers come from? Especially when even science has become just a business with an attempt to attract funding for frankly fake projects? A whole galaxy of "scientists" has grown up, whose goal is not science, the progress of mankind at the level of their mentality, but the skillful, smart-a** knocking out of grants and parasitizing all their lives on fools with money ...

There is even a logical theory of how mankind developed - thanks to which it developed. In every society, once small, then large tribes, there were rebels, the more sedentary the society became and more and more turned into a state (i.e. a stationary bandit with compulsion to extortions and obligations, without guarantees of social return), the stronger such society-states squeezed out people suffocating in their shackles. As long as these pioneer rebels had somewhere to physically flee on the planet, civilization developed. But after moving to America, there were no white spots left. The rebels have nowhere else to go to create a new young society with rapid fermentation and the development of advanced ideas. The whole world is mired in corruption, ever larger parasitic (rather than productive) sections of the population. This is the end. And it will inevitably cover this whole colossus of civilization, rushing by inertia right to the reinforced concrete wall...

[Russell]

@admin
Please remove that trolling essay.
It has nothing to do with anything that is supposed to be discussed here.
I am not sure if even Ryan Shrout would bullshit like this......

[NikoB]

Reading your messed up speech earlier, the question of who is spouting nonsense becomes rhetorical. Do not meddle in topics that you do not understand, trying to pass off your "righteous" anger as the absolute truth. This is just a general discussion, nothing more.

[NikoB]

In general, I recommend that you read the old philosopher Janet Daley from the Telegraph, she will quickly set your brains on the right rules of the discussion. ;)

[Russell]

Reading your messed up speech earlier, the question of who is spouting nonsense becomes rhetorical. Do not meddle in topics that you do not understand, trying to pass off your "righteous" anger as the absolute truth. This is just a general discussion, nothing more.

I didn't pass off any righteous anger there.
And it wasn't some kind of 'speech'.
I was pointing out the facts. You can verify each of them too..
You were talking as if AMD was in some kind of dominant position.
AMD barely managed to get the lead with zen 2, then extended its lead with zen 3.
But that should've never happened.
Intel's fkups are the reason why it happened it the first place.
I was explaining this to some detail in what you called a 'speech'.
So making it out so that intel won some kind of battle while it can at most be called damage control, is just ridiculous.

And what kind of grand topic are you talking about anyway?
All those things you talked about doesn't change the fact that your seemingly harmless comment actually sounds just like those leaders who increase the price of 5 commodities by thrice and then after a few months reduce the price 2 of them by half and 3 of them by 1 and half and then pose in front of the camera as true philanthropists...

Anyway, that has nothing to do with any of this.
And I am not here to encourage your trolling.

The comment earlier om how amd is no longer 'the' leader was definitely an exaggeration.

AMD was NEVER 'THE' leader in the processor market.

It has held an underdog position throughout history. It has offered better products than the competition. But intel has always been a multiple times bigger company.

And this has always been true whether they had a fab or not.

 It's not like you don't post comments that are better. I've seen your fair share of good, to the point comments as well.
But this one wasn't like that.

As for your question, zen 4 marks the end of Jim Keller's contribution.

And intel's Royal cores are coming.

So amd is probably gonna go back to bulldozer days soon, unless another Jim Keller appeared.

K12 should be resurrected ideally and Keller brought back (don't see this happening though).


With apple silicon doing so much more than even they expected it to, we might see a revolution in ARM space. Then there's RISC-V.

And all the big players are betting on AI and ML. So we never know what would happen.

We might even see something so advanced by today's standards becoming obsolete in a week!
But that still doesn't change the fact.

AMD was never the leader in the processor market.

And with all the financial power AND the number of engineers in R&D, intel should be ashamed that it even managed to give amd any kind of lead after thoroughly tramping upon them after the rise of x64.

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