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Windows 11: Microsoft's Director of OS Security explains the tough CPU requirements for Win 11

Started by Redaktion, July 03, 2021, 07:46:01

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vertigo

I hate MS as much as, if not more than, most, but I have to disagree about the comments regarding LibreOffice vs Office, and agree with @Erik P, only not just with Calc vs Excel. I've used Word and Excel extensively, and do much more with them, especially Excel, than most, and I've also used LibreOffice (Writer and Calc) a good bit.

I still use Office 2007 because it does everything I need and I'm not going to buy a newer version for no reason, and am certainly not going to pay a subscription And (often basic) things that Office can do, and has been able to do for ~15+ years, typically quite easily, are either very difficult or outright impossible with LibreOffice, even so many years later. LibreOffice also seems somewhat less resilient when it comes to potential file corruption, though it's hard to say. I have no issue learning how to do things differently in it, seeing as it's a different program, but when I can't figure out how to do something that should be fairly easy and straightforward, and is in Office, and look it up online only to find it's a convoluted process or can't even be done, despite the software being a decade-and-a-half newer, that's a problem. And this has happened multiple times, attempting multiple things, with both Writer and Calc (a stupid name, too, btw). Every time I try using them, it lasts a short while until I find I need to go back to Word/Excel to do what I need. And if I have to do that, then there's really no point in even using LibreOffice at all.

Another issue I have with LibreOffice is that it is significantly slower to start up and open files, and that's even with its special service that's always running to supposedly help speed it up. The last time I gave up using it, and uninstalled it, was a month or two ago when I opened a file in LibreOffice, then after several seconds of nothing happening, I opened it in Office, and it opened in Office a few seconds later, then another few or several seconds later it finally opened in LibreOffice.

I typically avoid MS software and products as much as possible, and use third-party software to replace their crap whenever I can, but Office, while far from perfect, is leaps and bounds, and literally a couple decades, ahead of LibreOffice.

It's a similar situation as with PhotoShop vs GIMP. I also hate Adobe, but having very little experience with either, I find PhotoShop not only more intuitive, but easier to find guidance online and, when using an online guide to figure out how to do something, doing it in PhotoShop is almost always easier, with fewer steps, and makes more sense. GIMP is free, so I use it, but it's a major PITA. LibreOffice is the same way IME.

Dan Fil

IDK what Microsoft is thinking to be honest. Here I am with a 5th gen Intel processor ( i7-5500U) and a laptop from 2014-2015 (Asus UX303LB), having tpm 2.0, and secure boot enabled,  running the dev channel windows 11 beta. There have been no slowdowns in apps, no crashes, NOTHING. Windows 11 works as well as windows 10 if not better. I think that Microsoft wants to push out new units for people to buy, throwing out laptops such as mine, which are more than capable to run this OS. Microsoft claims this CPU restriction is for 'security. Like, boi, if I don't feel safe using my laptop, Ill get an antivirus if push comes to shove. They ought to stop feeding this bs. I've seen fellas on youtube installing windows 11 on 2007 hp smartbooks (or whatever they are called) by changing 2 or 3 files in the Windows 11 ISO file.

vertigo

Quote from: Dan Fil on July 06, 2021, 05:37:06
IDK what Microsoft is thinking to be honest. Here I am with a 5th gen Intel processor ( i7-5500U) and a laptop from 2014-2015 (Asus UX303LB), having tpm 2.0, and secure boot enabled,  running the dev channel windows 11 beta. There have been no slowdowns in apps, no crashes, NOTHING.

While I have little doubt that at least part of it is to get more people to buy new computers, and therefore pay for Windows again, I suspect part of it is based on definite vs possible, i.e. they can definitely say that particular hardware meets the requirements, whereas other/older components possibly meet it, but there's no guarantee. So instead of making it more complicated, which would be the correct way, they simplify it and just make a blanket statement regarding minimum requirements. In other words, there are probably many computers with 5th-gen Intel CPUs without TPM 2.0, and so instead of them just saying that can meet the requirement as long as it has it, and possibly other things, they just chose to say only CPUs that will definitely have TPM 2.0 are compatible.

Or maybe I'm wrong, and they're just a complete clusterf***. That seems equally plausible. After all, it is MS, and they've managed to screw up pretty much every aspect of this release so far, unshockingly.

doa379

Got to watch this space. A new motivation for brainwashing has sprung up in action. There's an entire industry just waiting to be made. Like rotating the crops in a field, if it's not internet security or privacy issues, it's computer hardware.

doa379

Quote from: Dan Fil on July 06, 2021, 05:37:06
IDK what Microsoft is thinking to be honest.

That's a lot of faith that you put in their products if you can't decide what they are thinking, let alone see what their products are actually made of.

Twiddly

That is f'd up... I have used desktops as my primary work system for over 20 years... Never have my mic/camera connected unless i need it... So i not need window hello... As for data i always keep an offline backup of my "sensitive/important data"... And i not use bitlocker, honestly. I not a criminal so why would i need my corn "files" encrypted? Hell if they want to watch them go ahead big brother....

In general sounds like a crock of hot steamy bs.....

Microsoft needs to provide more foundation as to how this is important... Live demo of perhaps it stopping some Russian hacker doing randsomware........

So i not have the newest pc... Is an HP Z230. Exon e3-1241v3, 32gb ram, 240ssd, 480ssd,2x500gb hdd... i payed 750$ for it!

Works great, even if it is 8 years old, and plan to keep it for another 3 years, hardware permitting (aka so long as it dont die first) after that perhaps a Z series workstation. Hell if that is even supported by m$...

P.s... i remember back in the day paying 50usd just to join the beta program of windows 2000 professional...hahaha... Was even sent "customer loyalty thank you card! Those were the days... But different problems, issues with scsi port compatability, printers, sound cards.... Oh poo.... Still these problems.... Hahahahaha :p God i love these jokes.... Keeps us young and cursing ms...

Final joke... Anyone remember Windows NT? Windows: Neanderthal
Technology ;) ;)

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