AMD Ryzen 6000 Warhol could hit 5 GHz with 9-12% gains over Zen 3 to take on Alder Lake; Ryzen 7000 Raphael may offer up to 45% higher IPC than Zen 2 to maintain leads over Raptor Lake

[Redaktion]

Rumors seem to suggest a decent performance gain of up to 12% in moving from AMD Zen 3 Ryzen 5000 Vermeer to Zen 3+ Ryzen 6000 Warhol. Warhol is expected to taken on Intel's Alder Lake hybrid CPU offerings due later this year. We are also hearing that Zen 4 Raphael Ryzen 7000 may offer a huge 45% IPC increase from Zen 2 and could pose a threat to Intel's Raptor Lake offerings in 2022.

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[Anonymousgg]

Zen 4 IPC should be compared to Zen 3, or Zen 3+ if that is released.

We know it will have a nice IPC increase. More interesting will be seeing if it goes to 24 cores for the top SKU, 8 vs. 12 cores per chiplet (12 cores would probably be better for consumers), the integrated RDNA2 graphics, and the possibility of gigabytes of L4 cache.

Everything related to the DDR5 will be interesting, but that is the case for both Intel and AMD. It's possible that DDR5's new features (e.g. same bank refresh) could help it compensate for bad latency and high price. Since Alder Lake will use both DDR4 and DDR5, direct comparisons can be made.

[Kian]

Zen2: 1 (Baseline)
Zen3: 1.19 (19% increase)
Zen3+: 1.19*1.12=1.33 (12% compared to Zen3 and 33% compared to Zen2)
Zen4: 1.45/1.33=1.09 (9% increase compared to Zen3+ and 45% compared to Zen2)

Good generation to generation increase, but what's the importance of 45% here? why not compare Zen4 to Zen3+?

[Anonymousgg]

Zen2: 1 (Baseline)
Zen3: 1.19 (19% increase)
Zen3+: 1.19*1.12=1.33 (12% compared to Zen3 and 33% compared to Zen2)
Zen4: 1.45/1.33=1.09 (9% increase compared to Zen3+ and 45% compared to Zen2)

Good generation to generation increase, but what's the importance of 45% here? why not compare Zen4 to Zen3+?

The new leak looks roughly consistent with a previous leak* saying Zen 4 would have +25% IPC over Zen 3. 1.19 * 1.25 = ~1.49

* Zen 4 rumor bulldozer smashes Zen 3 with alleged +25% IPC uplift, +40% total gains, and potential delivery of 5 GHz on all cores while AMD's Zen 5 will be even more spectacular

[ts]

Zen3+: 1.19*1.12=1.33 (12% compared to Zen3 and 33% compared to Zen2)

RedGamingTech talks said IPC increase of 4-5 up to 12 percent in selected workloads, typically closer to 9%. So more like
Zen3+: 1.19*1.09=1.30 (9% compared to Zen3 and 30% compared to Zen2)

In this case difference between Zen3+ and Zen4 would be
1.45/1.3 = 1.115 -> 11.5%.

And these numbers are only estimation not actual ones. And they don't take into account increase in frequency which is unknown right now and may add another several percent of performance.

[Kek]

Daily reminder for AMD to make sure this time theres enough stock or iGPU models available for consumers.

With how expensives GPUs are right now, a cpu without igpu is dead onthe water for most.

[Anonymousgg]

Daily reminder for AMD to make sure this time theres enough stock or iGPU models available for consumers.

With how expensives GPUs are right now, a cpu without igpu is dead onthe water for most.

Unless they decide to source from Samsung or GlobalFoundries (some budget thing on 12nm), AMD is dependent on TSMC. The situation could improve by next year but it's largely out of AMD's hands (the capacity is ordered in advance).

Your daily reminder doesn't matter to AMD, because anything they make, especially GPUs, are likely to fly off the shelves in this market. What are you going to do, boycott?

It looks like Zen 4 will have an iGPU. But it will be out sometime in 2022 and for all we know it could go as low as 4 CUs.