Unparalleled Apple Silicon performance: TechTuber calculates 20-core M1Z outscores a 64-core Ryzen Threadripper 3990X while M1P with 128-core iGPU beats a GeForce RTX 3080

[Redaktion]

A TechTuber has offered up some staggering guesses for the potential performance of future M1 Apple Silicon SoCs. With an M1Z chip defeating a Ryzen Threadripper 3990X in Geekbench multi-core and an M1P part surpassing a GeForce RTX 3080 in OpenCL, it seems AMD and Nvidia will also be joining Intel in facing the Apple SoC threat.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Unparalleled-Apple-Silicon-performance-TechTuber-calculates-20-core-M1Z-outscores-a-64-core-Ryzen-Threadripper-3990X-while-M1P-with-128-core-iGPU-beats-a-GeForce-RTX-3080.530192.0.html

[The--Tech--Nerd]

lol

[Gawamatsu]

Is it good for mining? Miners should go for it and leave PC gaming alone, for gamers...

[An0n]

Sigh, since when NBC post articles based on "rumours" or "predictions" especially from "Youtubers"? This site is getting less and less objective and authentic nowadays.

[Dummycoder]

Lol, linear scale? Joke!
Too many techtuber posts/rumors/guess on NBC nowadays ...

[8&8]

ahahahah yeah like no, but perfs will be near of a 5950X and GTX 1080 also because iGPU of 15W M1 is in pair to GTX 1060.

we can say a wondeful goodbye to AMD's APUs; this is sure

[_MT_]

I'm not sure how seriously I can take an OpenCL benchmark where A100 scores less than 3080 and Titan RTX scores less than 2080 Ti. That would need some explaining.

Also, when you look at the Threadripper family, 3990X isn't much better than 3970X and that in turn isn't much better than 3960X. The gap between 3960X and 3950X is larger and more proportional (you've got 50 % more cores for 40 % higher score). Which puts into question how well the benchmark scales above about 24 cores. However, when I look at 3900X and 3800X, scaling is not that great. 3900X has 50 % more cores, but scores only 33 % more than 3800X. And 3950X has 33 % more cores, but scores only 20 % more than 3900X. In other words, 3960X has three times the number of cores (+200 %), but scores only 123 % more than 3800X. I could imagine seeing something like this when you hit power limit (the improvements would actually be in efficiency resulting from lower frequency). But then I would expect a bigger jump between 3960X and 3950X. Which would bring into question what exactly is the power budget. Even the 3700X isn't far behind (I think it's losing something like 5 % on 3800X).

I think at this point, I would find it difficult to predict how well the CPU benchmark scales. Even when I look at single-core vs. multi-core, the scaling isn't what I would expect. I'm assuming single-core test runs actually a single thread, bypassing SMT. Even at low core counts where power budget is less of a factor. With the exception of M1. M1 displays much better scaling than I would expect from seeing the other results. It's closer to 8 core processors than 4 core processors. That doesn't match up to Cinebench, for example. Which would suggest it's not a question of power. If you want to have a laugh, according to Geekbench, M1 has higher multi-core score than 5800H. Even 4800U should wipe the floor with it as long as the benchmark scales well. It does not compute in my brain.

[Ayoh]

Why stop there, why not predict the performance of a 128 core MX CPU and a 25,600 core Apple GPU - it will totally destroy the competition

What about a 256 core MZ CPU? wow it will annihilate the competition.

Now it just leaves the trivial matter of manufacturing the chips and we are done

[Mate]

It looks like many of those tech tubers forget that chip manufacturing cost rises exponentially with die size. M1 is already big, manufacturing M1Z as one chip like now would increase costs way above every CPU ever created for laptop. Ok, they can go for chiplets but there biggest obstacle are AMD patents - as they are only company that is doing it on mass scale.

[Johannes S]

I'd like to point out that the wonderful multithread scaling Geekbench 5 exhibits:

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X 2.9 GHz (64 cores) scores 24954
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X 3.7 GHz (32 cores) scores 22445

If I naively extrapolate the 5950X's performance of the Zen 3 core scaled to 64 cores, like this YouTuber did, then a hypothetical 64 core 5990X would score 68200! Of course we all know this scaling is not the case.

[_MT_]

If I naively extrapolate the 5950X's performance of the Zen 3 core scaled to 64 cores, like this YouTuber did, then a hypothetical 64 core 5990X would score 68200! Of course we all know this scaling is not the case.

It gets even better with 5800X as a base: 83752.

[_MT_]

I'd like to point out that the wonderful multithread scaling Geekbench 5 exhibits:

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X 2.9 GHz (64 cores) scores 24954
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X 3.7 GHz (32 cores) scores 22445

As I wrote, you could expect to see something like this when a processor hits power limit. Processor essentially turns energy into computations. Once you hit power limit, you can only generate more points by increasing efficiency. It's not necessarily a scaling problem.

[iCaveDave]

I'd like to point out that the wonderful multithread scaling Geekbench 5 exhibits:

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X 2.9 GHz (64 cores) scores 24954
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X 3.7 GHz (32 cores) scores 22445

As I wrote, you could expect to see something like this when a processor hits power limit. Processor essentially turns energy into computations. Once you hit power limit, you can only generate more points by increasing efficiency. It's not necessarily a scaling problem.

Agreed - The 20 core Apple Silicon processor assuming the power draw is roughly in line with what we have now will have a TDP around 100W vs the Threadripper's 280W.

[iCaveDave]

It looks like many of those tech tubers forget that chip manufacturing cost rises exponentially with die size. M1 is already big, manufacturing M1Z as one chip like now would increase costs way above every CPU ever created for laptop. Ok, they can go for chiplets but there biggest obstacle are AMD patents - as they are only company that is doing it on mass scale.

Completely agree with you here, which is why in previous videos we've been talking about either using multiple SOCs, or more likely more modular systems like the M1 is now, the CPU, GPU and Unified Memory are on Apple's own custom fabric layer, so they may be able to just use more of those modules. We already know they're testing up to the 32 core version on TSMC's 5nm process. But yes, of course as you scale the yields drop.

[iCaveDave]

Why stop there, why not predict the performance of a 128 core MX CPU and a 25,600 core Apple GPU - it will totally destroy the competition

What about a 256 core MZ CPU? wow it will annihilate the competition.

Now it just leaves the trivial matter of manufacturing the chips and we are done

I decided to stop at just the stuff that Bloomberg has already reported that they have in testing right now, Just seemed sensible.