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All-core 4.3 GHz at 28 W — Intel announces the 11th gen Tiger Lake lineup for laptops: Full specs, SKUs, and preliminary performance comparison

Started by Redaktion, September 02, 2020, 13:34:22

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Redaktion

After giving us a glimpse into the Willow Cove architecture during Architecture Day 2020, Intel has now revealed the 11th generation Tiger Lake lineup led by the Core i7-1185G7. We find from our preliminary performance benchmarks that Tiger Lake may once again equalize or even exceed the performance gap that Intel had to endure during the AMD Ryzen 4000 launch. Combined with Xe LP graphics, Intel Tiger Lake seeks to offer excellent performance for work and play on the go.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/All-core-4-3-GHz-at-28-W-Intel-announces-the-11th-gen-Tiger-Lake-lineup-for-laptops-Full-specs-SKUs-and-preliminary-performance-comparison.490934.0.html

havefun

"Core i7-1165G7 and the latter is in turn just 3% slower than the Ryzen 7 4700U "  Average AMD Ryzen 7 4700U   (1035 - 1189, n=7)
Intel Core i7-1165G7 i7-1165G7 1020 Points

1189/1020 = 16%, 3% is worst scenario for 4700U.

Average AMD Ryzen 7 4800U 1568 Points 
so 4800U is 54% faster then Tigers

I doubt that intel cut prices by 50% to meet price/performance comparision

Intel is in trouble.

Not impressed.

Only 24% in single threaded load compared to previous gen and renoir. But we already know now that cezanne will be 20% faster in integer.

So basically wait for amd's next gen (coming in a few months), get roughly same performance in single threaded but double the amount of cores / threads all for half the price of Intel's comparable offerings.

And then there is van gogh with zen 2 + rdna2. They already said in an interview that the Intel Xe is a huge change but hasn't been tested for games specifically just that such changes will probably benefit games. So we have a completely new architecture but not tested for games at all. lol @ the bugs the drivers will have on this thing.

Who would buy this when rdna2 (same arch used in next gen consoles) is coming soon with fully complaint dx12 ultimate support? People who require GPU for non gaming workloads, Intel Xe-LP still won't be enough. And for stuff like web browsing, an Apple's SoC's will still be better.

It's over for Intel. Same I feel like Nvidia's Ampere on 8nm. With such high TDP's it feels like another Fermi GTX 480. They will probably retain the crown in performance with RTX 3090 but at what price? 350 watt TDP. Good luck max q'ing even the 320 watt RTX 3080.

2019/2020 was the year of AMD in desktop. 2021/2022 will be the year of AMD on mobile. Intel and Nvidia are deluded, no one is going to be paying these prices during corona when everyone has pretty much lost there job.

toven

Why compare 27watt chip to 15watt? AMD 4800HS is cheaper and could be drawing similar power with this i7.

lsdfkj

If there won't be laptops with full (not that 2 lanes crippled trash) speed Thunderbolt outside of the premium segment then Intel could go to hell with their 4 core with fairy 28W TDP.

DavidC1

Quote from: Intel is in trouble. on September 02, 2020, 20:38:20
Not impressed.

Only 24% in single threaded load compared to previous gen and renoir. But we already know now that cezanne will be 20% faster in integer.

So what? Then Alderlake comes a few months later and beats Cezanne.

Also, the 24% advantage in ST means it'll be 24% faster in everything. This is why its so close to 4700U with 8 cores without HT. Any workload that doesn't go over 8 threads or benefits fully from greater than 8 threads the 24% advantage will come into play.

frisbfreek

QuoteHDMI 2.0b comes as default but support for HDMI 2.1 for 8K60 output is possible via a DP 1.4 bridge.

Does anyone know what this means exactly? Does this mean a laptop can potentially have a bandwidth-gimped (DP 1.4 bandwidth) HDMI 2.1 port?

sigh

Quote from: toven on September 02, 2020, 20:51:06
Why compare 27watt chip to 15watt? AMD 4800HS is cheaper and could be drawing similar power with this i7.

15W TDP on Renoir is probably the most successful bamboozle AMD has pulled.

Check the 4800U benchmark .The laptop is pulling 50W in stress tests until it thermal soaks and loses 30% of its performance.

A

That's pretty pathetic... so much for beating Renoir by a wide margin, and it pretty much matches my predictions.



Quote from: sigh on September 02, 2020, 21:21:37
Quote from: toven on September 02, 2020, 20:51:06
Why compare 27watt chip to 15watt? AMD 4800HS is cheaper and could be drawing similar power with this i7.

15W TDP on Renoir is probably the most successful bamboozle AMD has pulled.

Check the 4800U benchmark .The laptop is pulling 50W in stress tests until it thermal soaks and loses 30% of its performance.

What do you think Intel has been doing? There is a reason Intel's mobile CPUs are using more power than desktop cpus.


Quote from: DavidC1 on September 02, 2020, 21:06:45
Quote from: Intel is in trouble. on September 02, 2020, 20:38:20
Not impressed.

Only 24% in single threaded load compared to previous gen and renoir. But we already know now that cezanne will be 20% faster in integer.

So what? Then Alderlake comes a few months later and beats Cezanne.

Also, the 24% advantage in ST means it'll be 24% faster in everything. This is why its so close to 4700U with 8 cores without HT. Any workload that doesn't go over 8 threads or benefits fully from greater than 8 threads the 24% advantage will come into play.

24% improvement in single thread is not 24% improvement in everything. More and more apps are making use of multithreads and people have stuff running in the background as well.

It might be close to the 4700U in multithreading but it is far behind the 4800U in multithreading. Like over 50%.




frisbfreek

Quote from: A on September 02, 2020, 22:23:41
24% improvement in single thread is not 24% improvement in everything. More and more apps are making use of multithreads and people have stuff running in the background as well.

It might be close to the 4700U in multithreading but it is far behind the 4800U in multithreading. Like over 50%.

Sure, no single metric tells the whole story. But it's also quite unfair to compare a 4-core CPU with an 8-core CPU using a multi-threading metric. If your workflow is multi-threading intensive, then you'll obviously go with more cores, and I don't think anyone would be telling you to get these Tiger Lakes over a 4800U.

vertigo

Color me very unimpressed. Yet another modest improvement combined with Intel apparently still insisting on overly complicated SKUs, only now they seem to be making it harder for consumers to research computers based on the processor. Here's my translation of the article, which seems (intentionally?) worded to put the middling improvements in their best light:

"In Cinebench R15 (CB15), the single-thread performance gains are immediately evident with the Core i7-1165G7 bagging a 24% higher score compared to the Ice Lake Core i7-1065G7. Both the Core i7-1165G7 and the Core i5-1135G7 are faster (15% and 7%, respectively) than the Comet Lake-U Core i7-10710U, which is actually a 6C/12T part. In fact, the Core i7-1165G7 easily overtakes both the AMD Ryzen 5 4500U and the Ryzen 7 4700U with leads of up to 24% in single-core."

When comparing Intel's brand-new, yet to be released, top of the line CPU with the slower i7 of the previous gen (Ice Lake has less cores and slower CPU performance in exchange for better GPU performance), it's a whopping 24% faster. But that's not really saying much, and the next sentence is more representative of typical gen-to-gen improvements with Intel, with a more modest improvement of 15%, though, to be fair, that's actually better than usual, especially considering the Comet Lake is a hexa-core chip. It then goes on to say that this brand-new (and, once again, yet to be released) chip is up to 24% faster than the Ryzen 5 and 7 that have been out for months and, the way it's worded, I read as being up to (as in probably often less, but one test had this much difference) 24% faster than the Ryzen 5, AMD's mid-tier chip, whereas the gains over the Ryzen 7 are probably a fair bit less. I would hope their cutting edge i7 could beat a months-old Ryzen 5 by a good bit; that's nothing to really brag about. And I suspect it's only marginally better than the Ryzen 7, and that's for single-threaded performance, so multi-threaded it'll probably be pretty close.

"Understandably though, the Core i7-10710U leads in CB15 multi-core but not by a significant margin — it is only 8% faster than the Core i7-1165G7 and the latter is in turn just 3% slower than the Ryzen 7 4700U, which is an 8C/8T part. Good gains are also seen with the Core i5-1135G7, which seems to be about 14% faster than the Ice Lake Core i5-1035G7 and 22% faster than the Core i7-1065G7. "

So the brand-new i7 is 8% slower than the last-gen i7 (granted, it has two less cores, but the simple fact is "upgrading" to Tiger Lake from Comet Lake will result in a decrease in performance, regardless of why) and, as I suspected with my earlier statement, it's close to (and actually behind) the (again, *months old*) Ryzen 7. So it's essentially (maybe) slightly faster in single-threaded performance and slightly slower in multi-threaded performance vs an older chip. And I'm guessing the last statement in that paragraph is mixed up, since it makes no sense that it would be 14% faster than the Ice Lake i5 and 22% faster than the i7. Assuming it's 22% faster than the i5 and 14% faster than the i7, I do have to say that's pretty respectable, however, it's just not good enough. Improving significantly over a poorly performing product isn't anything to get excited about. If you have a low baseline, a large improvement can still result in a mediocre product, which is exactly the case here. Yes, they appear to have improved quite a bit from Comet/Ice Lake, but they're still only at the level of the current-gen Ryzen chips, not exactly newsworthy.

Things get a little better at this point, with the TL i5 outperforming the R7 by 10% in single-threaded performance, which is quite impressive. I don't know what the difference is between R15 (CB15) and R20 (CB20) tests, and why the latter seems to show much better single-threaded gains (or maybe the prior also does, but that's not shown by how it's worded, as mentioned before). But then we get to multi-threaded performance and, once again, TL actually loses (again) to Ryzen and Comet Lake. Then we get to 3DMark 11, where TL finally shows some real promise, actually besting the R7 by 18%. Of course, when you actually look at the graphic, you see that while it beats the R7 4700u, it loses to the (again, months old) R7 4800u. So still not impressed.

On the graphics side, it does look like TL supercedes Ryzen but, again, not by a significant margin, nothing groundbreaking anyways.

A couple other things to keep in mind with all of this: 1) while it's possible performance will improve as it gets closer to production, these benchmarks are comparing TL in a (probably optimized, with excellent cooling) test platform vs Comet Lake, Ice Lake, and Ryzen in production systems, most/all of which limit the full capabilities of the chips due to insufficent cooling, design (i.e. making them run at lower TDP to keep heat down or battery life up), or crappy firmware/drivers; and 2) even with possible gains over current Ryzen chips, that will likely only last a couple months before AMD takes back the crown, not to mention almost certainly continuing to be cheaper as well. It really seems to me that we are back to how things were when the Athlon 64 came out, with AMD crushing Intel and Intel struggling just to keep up. Hopefully this time AMD will be able to hold on to the lead, at least for longer than before, and hopefully if/when they do lose it, they'll at least be able to stay closer to Intel.

If I've misinterpreted or otherwise misunderstood something, please let me know, but as of right now, based on this article I'll probably be looking for an AMD laptop over TL, all else being equal.

vertigo

I should also add that I focused my reply on performance since that's (unfortunately) what this and most articles and reviews focus on. We're at the point, though, and have been for a while, that performance is more than enough for most people, and those that really need more can, and probably will in many cases, get laptops with desktop CPUs. What the supposed mobile chips really need to be focusing on at this point is battery life, which has been pretty stagnant save for a few notable exceptions for several years. I'd rather have a CPU with last-gen performance (or even that of two generations ago) that allows a laptop to get an extra couple hours of runtime. Though, of course, what would be ideal is if they could do that while getting the current levels of performance when plugged in. I use a laptop for portability, as do a lot of people, and don't want to have to plug in every 3-6 hours.

Imglidinhere

Quote from: frisbfreek on September 02, 2020, 22:59:59Sure, no single metric tells the whole story. But it's also quite unfair to compare a 4-core CPU with an 8-core CPU using a multi-threading metric. If your workflow is multi-threading intensive, then you'll obviously go with more cores, and I don't think anyone would be telling you to get these Tiger Lakes over a 4800U.

So it's a fair comparison when Intel compares its own offerings to 8-core parts but when WE compare it, suddenly it's unfair? Huh?

You can't pick and choose when and where you want to compare. You compare across the board or not at all. Single core performance largely doesn't matter anymore. Since the launch of Ryzen at least, AMD has been within spitting distance of Intel's offerings, and yes, while Intel still has an edge on desktops with the 10-series CPUs, the price premium is staggering for a marginal increase in games and applications. Mind you that's only on a core-for-core basis too.

In a price for price battle, AMD smokes Intel and it's why The vast majority of DIY builders go AMD. They're just better value for what you get. It's no longer AMD for cheap options and Intel for performance options. No different with the mobile market, just so happens that AMD can offer better performance at vastly lower prices because of their designs. :p

Mate

@frisbfreek
Its  not unfair if 4cores and 8cores have similar TDP. Its not AMD fault that they use better manufacturing process. 

Anyway single core performance now makes difference only in some games on engines that put too many tasks on 1 or 2 threads.  Everything else is 100% about multicore performance.

frisbfreek

@Mate Yeah you make a good point on the TDP. I'm guessing Intel will come along with an 8-core equivalent at some point, but until then AMD definitely has the higher core segment down. I'm not an Intel fanboy by any means, but just pointing out that # of cores is probably the biggest factor in multithreading benchmarks.

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