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The backlash against PlayStation 5 tipster Dusk Golem says more about the toxic “console war” mentality than about the PlayStation 5 or Xbox Series X

Started by Redaktion, August 17, 2020, 19:55:21

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Redaktion

The internet backlash against industry insider Dusk Golem and the revocation of his status as a moderator on the ResetEra forums says much about the problematic nature of the "console wars" mindset and could impact the willingness of insiders to share information in the future.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-backlash-against-PlayStation-5-tipster-Dusk-Golem-says-more-about-the-toxic-console-war-mentality-than-about-the-PlayStation-5-or-Xbox-Series-X.487937.0.html


CD

The dude straight up said he spun all of this nonsense to even the odds because he was upset Series X was receiving more criticism after Microsoft's latest event. He's the one stoking the flames of the console war and he was rightfully flamed for doing so.

Causation+Correlation

Quote from: CD on August 17, 2020, 21:36:26
The dude straight up said he spun all of this nonsense to even the odds because he was upset Series X was receiving more criticism after Microsoft's latest event. He's the one stoking the flames of the console war and he was rightfully flamed for doing so.

He didn't say that he invented the stuff about "fake 4K." The way he presented it (as coming from devs he knows) was exactly the same way he presented other tips. Yes, in a Tweet thread, he said he spoke up because he felt things were too one-sided. HOWEVER, he never said he made anything up. Having a motivation does not mean someone's automatically lying. I feel that too many people are leaping from "he had a motivation" to "be made it up," without considering this. So much, so very much of news in the world, and not just in the tech space, comes out because someone has a particular motivation to put it out there. Is it problematic to have a motivation? It can be and it is at times. Does that mean you're lying? No, not necessarily. Does his statement align with what we know about RX 5700 XT hardware and 4K gaming? Absolutely. I have an overclocked 2070 super that's slightly more powerful than the PS5's GPU and barely any recent titles, barring Doom Eternal and Sekiro consistently deliver 4K/60 FPS. Again, having a bias does not automatically make someone a liar.

CD

We have multiple showings of first party games running natively in 4K by Digital Foundry's analysis and we have a third party developer now directly speaking out against claims that the hardware struggles to deliver on native 4K content, or at a decent frame rate. Is it true that a game *in development* isn't running as well as it could or should? Absolutely. His framing of this information and his reasons for delivering it the way that he did are the problem. He has directly participated in console warring, he framed his information in a way specifically meant to incite console warring, and now he's upset that he got a predictable reaction and people are defending him for making his own bed he doesn't want to lay in.

Whether he's lying or not is irrelevant. He tried to push an agenda and it didn't work out for him the way he thought it would.

Peter25472

These Sony fanboys are completely crazy, I've seen tons of them recently threaten to stop supporting Sony because Horizon Zero Dawn got released on PC. What a bunch of fanatics. And yes looking the specs xbox one series X is more powerful than ps5 but who cares... Microsoft is even going to release a 4 flops xbox series S machine..

KC

Quote from: Causation+Correlation on August 17, 2020, 21:55:54
Quote from: CD on August 17, 2020, 21:36:26
The dude straight up said he spun all of this nonsense to even the odds because he was upset Series X was receiving more criticism after Microsoft's latest event. He's the one stoking the flames of the console war and he was rightfully flamed for doing so.

He didn't say that he invented the stuff about "fake 4K." The way he presented it (as coming from devs he knows) was exactly the same way he presented other tips. Yes, in a Tweet thread, he said he spoke up because he felt things were too one-sided. HOWEVER, he never said he made anything up. Having a motivation does not mean someone's automatically lying. I feel that too many people are leaping from "he had a motivation" to "be made it up," without considering this. So much, so very much of news in the world, and not just in the tech space, comes out because someone has a particular motivation to put it out there. Is it problematic to have a motivation? It can be and it is at times. Does that mean you're lying? No, not necessarily. Does his statement align with what we know about RX 5700 XT hardware and 4K gaming? Absolutely. I have an overclocked 2070 super that's slightly more powerful than the PS5's GPU and barely any recent titles, barring Doom Eternal and Sekiro consistently deliver 4K/60 FPS. Again, having a bias does not automatically make someone a liar.

The article also states problems with 1080/60fps. There's no mid range that even struggles with 1080/60. Even a 1060 GTX or a 570 Rx can pull that off.  Yet it's claimed. That alone sounds like blowing smoke just for the sake of doing so.

S.Yu

Quote from: CD on August 17, 2020, 22:27:25
We have multiple showings of first party games running natively in 4K by Digital Foundry's analysis and we have a third party developer now directly speaking out against claims that the hardware struggles to deliver on native 4K content, or at a decent frame rate. Is it true that a game *in development* isn't running as well as it could or should? Absolutely. His framing of this information and his reasons for delivering it the way that he did are the problem. He has directly participated in console warring, he framed his information in a way specifically meant to incite console warring, and now he's upset that he got a predictable reaction and people are defending him for making his own bed he doesn't want to lay in.

Whether he's lying or not is irrelevant. He tried to push an agenda and it didn't work out for him the way he thought it would.
Wow, well put! Totally what I wanted to say but I couldn't have put it this eloquently.

BlueSun

Wait... What? GTFO. Resetera is trash and it was clear what that jerkoff was doing. Gamers called out that asshole and you are attracting them for him giving false information. Jackasses like you are the reason why gamergate happened. Hi back to your hole loser.

DavidC1

It's ironic in the very article that talks about toxic fanboys, toxic comments exist.

If he's a real industry insider and he wants to stop talking because people can't accept negativity towards their favorite product, that should be considered as a loss for everyone.

Shame people, shame.

KLEEBANKLIBAN

I get what the article is trying to say, but the notion comes from the assumption the guy had no ill will. The author means well.. hell I could see myself writing this. However the fact remains that someone in this line of work should do a better job choosing when and what to reveal. They being heat on ResetEra, and ResetEra has no journalistic obligation to tolerate recklessness.


Yenko Jewblow

Quote from: BlueSun on August 18, 2020, 03:10:14
Wait... What? GTFO. Resetera is trash and it was clear what that jerkoff was doing. Gamers called out that asshole and you are attracting them for him giving false information. Jackasses like you are the reason why gamergate happened. Hi back to your hole loser.

lol neogaf scum
Keep being loyal to a trash Sony system, and keep pretending Sony hasn't been making absolute trash games since PS3

Snale654321

Seriously who writes these utter trash articles. Notebookcheck should not hire these incompetent fanboys.

grv

Quote from: Yenko Jewblow on August 18, 2020, 06:39:52
Quote from: BlueSun on August 18, 2020, 03:10:14
Wait... What? GTFO. Resetera is trash and it was clear what that jerkoff was doing. Gamers called out that asshole and you are attracting them for him giving false information. Jackasses like you are the reason why gamergate happened. Hi back to your hole loser.

lol neogaf scum
Keep being loyal to a trash Sony system, and keep pretending Sony hasn't been making absolute trash games since PS3

Yeah, HZD, GoW, Ghost of Tsushima, TLoU2, Persona 5, BloodBorne, Spiderman... Absolute trash games xD You can't be that ignorant and believe this BS you're writing xD

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