New Chinese CPU maker Phytium to release 7 nm and 5nm server CPUs, along with 14 nm processors for desktop and embedded markets

[Redaktion]

While Intel is yet again postponing the launch of its 7 nm processors, Chinese chip makers like Phytium are rising with big dreams of providing decent competition for AMD in the next few years. Phytium currently specializes in server-grade CPUs with 64 cores, but, by the end of 2021, the Chinese company intends to ready 128-core server chips built on TSMC's 5 nm nodes, along with 14 nm desktop and embedded CPUs.


https://www.notebookcheck.net/New-Chinese-CPU-maker-Phytium-to-release-7-nm-and-5nm-server-CPUs-along-with-14-nm-processors-for-desktop-and-embedded-markets.482800.0.html

[S.Yu]

This proves how much money the CCP has to throw around into dead ends like these.

[Darryl]

So, in 2 years, Zhaoxin went from a 2010 level chip to a 2017 level chip, and are looking to move to 5nm, meaning likely a 2019+ level chip.

I can't wait :). China is only behind the world in a few key metrics, so once their chips are "good enough" (aka: soon), that's one thing less that the US can hold over them. It's nice to see the US losing its competitive edge, they've had a good run.

[Khaled ELshami]

I am very sure George Washington is turning in his grave to read these news, The CIA is already losing sleep with the Chinese advancing in their chip  manufacturing , 5G , microprocessor is all about who will dominate the high tech world in the next 15 to 20 years .......nothing good lasts forever.

[Owen]

For those uninformed about China's capability, when Lenovo acquired IBM's ThinkPad division, everyone was saying China can't maintain thinkpad's reputation. Now 15 years later, Lenovo delivered. The same can be said about 5G, China (and pretty much everyone) got huge license bills from US firms in the 3G and 4G era. That's why Huawei spent billions developing 5G, now they delivered. That's why the US want to ban Huawei.

Anyway, don't underestimate the underdog, especially they are back by a determined gonverment.

[Leo_Leo]

Do you know TSMC is under USA sanction policy not able to supply their most advance chip (7nm and 5nm) to Chinese company?

[Ksh]

US is the only country which can extend its national security law to sanction foreign companies, products & services.
It will definitely kill Phytium, the way it punishing Huawei & Alstom.

[S.Yu]

For those uninformed about China's capability, when Lenovo acquired IBM's ThinkPad division, everyone was saying China can't maintain thinkpad's reputation. Now 15 years later, Lenovo delivered. The same can be said about 5G, China (and pretty much everyone) got huge license bills from US firms in the 3G and 4G era. That's why Huawei spent billions developing 5G, now they delivered. That's why the US want to ban Huawei.

Anyway, don't underestimate the underdog, especially they are back by a determined gonverment.

I could come up with numerous examples to the opposite, for example Huaian Imaging Device Manufacturer Corporation, a Nanjing government funded company, threw $2.5 billion into the CMOS industry 5 years ago, trying to build on Towerjazz technology, yet failed to ever make a splash. It's now bankrupt.

As for 5G, the whole concept of 5G is close to a scam. It relies heavily on a brute-force approach which means its sheer electricity bills make it unprofitable.

As a rule of thumb, 5G, per basestation, has 3 times the cost, uses 3 times the power, for 1/3 the coverage of 4G. That means to operate a network of identical coverage you need 3 times the hardware density consuming a total of 9 times the power. If you attempt to solve coverage, the only solution in active deployment is resorting to the laughable low band which was easily saturated with 4G tech, and saturating the same narrow bandwidth using 5G is nothing but a marketing scheme and political stunt, you won't extract a single extra Mb/s out of it with 5G, but will suffer inefficiencies of immature tech and royalties of new patents, and consumers will ultimately have to bear the cost. China has that cash to waste which is why the Party is so aggressively deploying 5G, they want the political stunt more than the economical sense, which frankly is the logic of many of the Party's actions.

The main reasons for sanctioning Huawei are first, national security, because of Huawei's close ties to the Party and how the Party is untrustworthy, and second, because China is indeed not trading on equal terms with so-called "developed countries"(to think, that includes countries as economically troubled as Spain and Italy) and even if China's current terms constitute daylight robbery the US will need leverage for the Party to cede, and Huawei is important enough to the Party that it could act as that leverage, while it actively sabotages US interests like providing to Iran through a shell. Two birds with one stone.

US is the only country which can extend its national security law to sanction foreign companies, products & services.
It will definitely kill Phytium, the way it punishing Huawei & Alstom.

An entirely ARM based server chip provider is of no threat to the US, not even of strategic interest.

[Clove]

We can only trap and bully China for so long, which will force them invent themselves to become the leader faster. Trump and Dumpeo doesn't have the brain to lead our country, and many countries are distancing themselves from US.

[S.Yu]

We can only trap and bully China for so long, which will force them invent themselves to become the leader faster. Trump and Dumpeo doesn't have the brain to lead our country, and many countries are distancing themselves from US.

lmfao what a clueless fool.
Pompeo just convinced many countries of the Eastern Bloc to steer clear of Huawei on his trip to Europe. These countries should have been leaning socialist before, their economy is also on shaky ground, so if anything they should yield to China's economic colonialism, but they're convinced by the stance of the US, who doesn't have as much to offer in terms of monetary incentives. Think about why that is.
Russia, without hesitation, sided with India against China despite its most prominent enemy being the US, and multibillion energy deals signed with China a few months ago which arguably secured Russia's waning economy in the face of Ukraine and Crimea related sanctions. Think about why that is.
Most countries around the world regardless of ideology or economic concerns have sided against China, either they acutely sensed an imminent threat not apparent to the public, or they're all stupid. Think about which is more likely.

[Julian C]

<<This proves how much money the CCP has to throw around into dead ends like these.>>
Nearly all of our technology innovation was state funded, not private funded. The private sector just did the easy packaging and iteration work, following the unprofitable and far more difficult earlier work. Take your iPhone - virtually everything in it was invented by the state sector, or firms with exclusive state contacts which amounts to state funding  - the GPS device - state sector, the transistor chip - state sector, Von Neumann machine - state sector, the modern programming languages, all minor variants of Algol - state sector, the internet protocols such as FTP, https, etc - state sector, the touch screen technology - state sector (Royal Radar establishment). So when you write that Chinese technology is illegitimate in some way when the government supports it, this would require us to go back to our pre-war technology levels if we are not to be hypocritical.

[S.Yu]

So when you write that Chinese technology is illegitimate in some way when the government supports it

I didn't say that, though the Party's actions justify government intervention of other countries.

[michaś abcdef]

I would like to program embedded again, however I have so much to follow in politics that I can only imagine the use.