Lenovo ThinkPad X13 and ThinkPad T14 powered by AMD Ryzen 4000 APUs may be around the corner

[Redaktion]

A Github listing of Realtek UAD drivers seems to indicate that the Lenovo ThinkPad X13, ThinkPad T14, and ThinkPad T14S would be getting AMD options. Although no details about the specific processor SKUs are mentioned, it is very well possible that ThinkPads powered by the Ryzen 4000 APUs are not too far away from launch.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X13-and-ThinkPad-T14-powered-by-AMD-Ryzen-4000-APUs-may-be-around-the-corner.454240.0.html

[Ariliquin]

Cool, so maybe next we can see some more Yoga options with AMD in the high end of the product range? Please.

[davids]

I wish they would bring the new 35/45W AMD 4000H chips to Thinkpads. These low power chips are not for serious work.

[Vaidyanathan]

I wish they would bring the new 35/45W AMD 4000H chips to Thinkpads. These low power chips are not for serious work.

That would be interesting indeed. But these models are aimed towards mobility so they will be U-series only. The Zen2 U-series is pretty capable (at least acc. to AMD) for a 15W chip, though.

[xpclient]

I fear they won't have touchpad buttons, Thunderbolt 3 and NVIDIA graphics - I need all 3 along with the AMD CPU.

[william blake]

I wish they would bring the new 35/45W AMD 4000H chips to Thinkpads. These low power chips are not for serious work.

why not? pretty sure they would be in some thinkpads.

[Vaidyanathan]

I fear they won't have touchpad buttons, Thunderbolt 3 and NVIDIA graphics - I need all 3 along with the AMD CPU.

Personally, I feel AMD should directly go for USB 4 support instead of Thunderbolt.

[william blake]

Personally, I feel AMD should directly go for USB 4 support instead of Thunderbolt.

personally, i feel thunderbolt does suck. because they sell it like something very premium. thunderbolt 3 is how old, 5 years? its a freaking protocol with a freaking cheap chip or part of the chip.
so, i dont care about this crap anymore, it pisses me off. usb 3 is enough for me i guess, at least i can be sure it will cost 3 dollars for me not 100.

[hmpf]

I wish they would bring the new 35/45W AMD 4000H chips to Thinkpads. These low power chips are not for serious work.

"Real work" is definitely relative. I code in terminal, ssh to stuff and have a 120 tabs open in the browser.. I do plenty of work without almost any cpu requirements, but i need at least 16GB ram.

Batterylife is hugely important though, and builtin WWAN. Absolute effective minimum batterylife i can accept is 12h but somewhere above 16h effective use is preferred, like on my current x270 with 96Wh battery)..

The x270 is slightly too big for my taste, thickness almost doesn't matter at all and i've never understood the craze for millimeter-thin laptops, i'd rather have a machine that isn't so wide / deep..

I've held my hopes high for a slightly smaller X-series laptop, but it seems like they're just becoming larger and larger..

[Vaidyanathan]

I wish they would bring the new 35/45W AMD 4000H chips to Thinkpads. These low power chips are not for serious work.

"Real work" is definitely relative. I code in terminal, ssh to stuff and have a 120 tabs open in the browser.. I do plenty of work without almost any cpu requirements, but i need at least 16GB ram.

Add to the fact that most modern games are more GPU-heavy. But the issue arises if the laptop has just an FHD display, which then puts some load on the CPU as well.

I can totally understand why someone would want a 45W chip, though. It does allow some extra headroom for the CPU to flex its muscles. Laptops with ULV chips are sometimes designed so thin that the CPU's peak performance is not attainable due to thermals.

[Vaidyanathan]

Personally, I feel AMD should directly go for USB 4 support instead of Thunderbolt.

personally, i feel thunderbolt does suck. because they sell it like something very premium. thunderbolt 3 is how old, 5 years? its a freaking protocol with a freaking cheap chip or part of the chip.
so, i dont care about this crap anymore, it pisses me off. usb 3 is enough for me i guess, at least i can be sure it will cost 3 dollars for me not 100.

The external Titan Ridge controller requirement is no longer needed IIRC. Intel started integrating the controller on the CPU die itself from Ice Lake. This will be the new industry-standard design for all chipmakers with USB 4. So yeah, AMD will eventually start offering USB 4 support and not charge too high for it.

[hmpf]

I wish they would bring the new 35/45W AMD 4000H chips to Thinkpads. These low power chips are not for serious work.

"Real work" is definitely relative. I code in terminal, ssh to stuff and have a 120 tabs open in the browser.. I do plenty of work without almost any cpu requirements, but i need at least 16GB ram.

Add to the fact that most modern games are more GPU-heavy. But the issue arises if the laptop has just an FHD display, which then puts some load on the CPU as well.

I can totally understand why someone would want a 45W chip, though. It does allow some extra headroom for the CPU to flex its muscles. Laptops with ULV chips are sometimes designed so thin that the CPU's peak performance is not attainable due to thermals.

Games?, on X series?, come on.. There is no "one size fits all" laptop and physics puts a serious limit on how much power you can squeeze into the area.

45W is an insane amount of heat to dissipate in such a small chassis, and it would drain any reasonable battery in 1-2 hours. You're asking for the mobility-equivalent of a laptop from 2003, they also had 45W cpu's.
Meanwhile, a modern ULV-cpu sips away at 3-5W, and seemingly, ARM cpu's like in the lenovo yoga 5g would sip away at 1-3W.

A huge power envelope is just totally useless for most users. It's way more important to have enough batterylife so you can comfortably use it for a full workday and still have at least a couple of hours left at the end of the day.

In the x270 i have now I have an i7-7600U CPU and for 99.9% of what I do it's overpowered, and when "flexing it's muscles", it drains the battery way too fast. Even if it was two or three times as fast when "flexing it's muscles" it would still be way too slow to do the heavy lifting which might be needed, for that people generally use other tools..

[william blake]

A huge power envelope is just totally useless for most users. It's way more important to have enough batterylife so you can comfortably use it for a full workday and still have at least a couple of hours left at the end of the day.

3 people out of 30 i know, carries their laptops all day or part of the day. the rest-stationary home machines or room-to-room home machines.
also, imagine 45w tdp skus with the ability working in 15w mode. all problems solved, you have power and mobility, depends on your wishes.

[hmpf]

A huge power envelope is just totally useless for most users. It's way more important to have enough batterylife so you can comfortably use it for a full workday and still have at least a couple of hours left at the end of the day.

3 people out of 30 i know, carries their laptops all day or part of the day. the rest-stationary home machines or room-to-room home machines.
also, imagine 45w tdp skus with the ability working in 15w mode. all problems solved, you have power and mobility, depends on your wishes.

Sounds like a pretty big waste to aim for an ultraportable business laptop with long baterylife and longing for a beefier CPU when it sounds like a P series is exactly what you want. Those come with 6-core 45W TDP cpu's as an option and they're even cheaper than the "ultraportable" X series.

[william blake]

Sounds like a pretty big waste to aim for an ultraportable business laptop with long baterylife and longing for a beefier CPU when it sounds like a P series is exactly what you want. Those come with 6-core 45W TDP cpu's as an option and they're even cheaper than the "ultraportable" X series.

i want? we all want. 15-45w switch, software or button, who can say no?
these chips are the same, their bios settings are different, in case someone think they are manufactured differently.
where is a big waste, i dont get it?