Intel Core Ultra 200S performance issues traced to missing PPM package; four out of five problems resolved

[Redaktion]

Intel's Core Ultra 200S launch faced five performance issues, with drops ranging from 6 percent to 30 percent. Various updates have fixed four problems, while the final optimization package is set for January 2025. A comprehensive performance review will be presented at CES 2025.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-Ultra-200S-performance-issues-traced-to-missing-PPM-package-four-out-of-five-problems-resolved.935846.0.html

[Swizzy]

Intel can't seem to release a decent product years in a row now. Considering the money they have its embarrassing.

[Mr Majestyk]

Intel can't seem to release a decent product years in a row now. Considering the money they have its embarrassing.

Arrow Lake was a rush job due to cRaptor Lake's failings. It was not ready for release and consumers pay the price as well as Intel

[Hotz]

Intel can't seem to release a decent product years in a row now. Considering the money they have its embarrassing.

Arrow Lake as an overall package is better than any of their CPUs since the last 3 years. But people who only look for the biggest CPU performance, and nothing else, think it's bad because they only see the 5% less performance. Which are the same people who always buy top of the line hardware and then complain about their game having only 200 fps instead of 210 fps...

[Hotz]

To be more precise:

What's better in Arrow Lake:
- less heat
- less power
- improved integrated graphics, now capable for casual gaming without dGPU, and has fixed really bad graphical errors that still exist in 12th, 13th, 14th gens
- less thread assignment issues because of cleaned up thread scheduler and removed HT

What's worse:
- CPU performance 5% less


So it's 4/5 aspects improved compared to previous generations. Most people, including so-called youtube tech-channels, however hung themselves up on the last 1/5 aspect. But all these people are not the majority, but uber-enthusiasts. It's the same people who always must have the latest and bestest RTX 4090 Super Ti, the same people who call everything else trash, the same people who overclock SSDs and RAM, the same people who only use K-processors and never non-K processors, the same people who don't care about temperatures, the same people who don't care about power consumption.

Of course - for these people Arrow Lake is "utter and total trash because 5-10fps less". For everyone else the new Arrow Lake is better than anything from Intel since the last couple of years.

[Salt]

To be more precise:

What's better in Arrow Lake:
- less heat
- less power
- improved integrated graphics, now capable for casual gaming without dGPU, and has fixed really bad graphical errors that still exist in 12th, 13th, 14th gens
- less thread assignment issues because of cleaned up thread scheduler and removed HT

What's worse:
- CPU performance 5% less


So it's 4/5 aspects improved compared to previous generations. Most people, including so-called youtube tech-channels, however hung themselves up on the last 1/5 aspect. But all these people are not the majority, but uber-enthusiasts. It's the same people who always must have the latest and bestest RTX 4090 Super Ti, the same people who call everything else trash, the same people who overclock SSDs and RAM, the same people who only use K-processors and never non-K processors, the same people who don't care about temperatures, the same people who don't care about power consumption.

Of course - for these people Arrow Lake is "utter and total trash because 5-10fps less". For everyone else the new Arrow Lake is better than anything from Intel since the last couple of years.

LMAO no dude, the problem is that it is 5% less performance when people expected Intel to be 20%+ better at this point. I am a prior huge Intel fan boy and waited years for Intel to smash Ryzen like they did AMD years ago with the Core2duo but nope... They can't seem to pull anything together. I figured Ryzen was a one maybe two generation trick before it ran out of steam since they didn't even design the thing in the first place, having to hire a 3rd party designer. At this point it's clear Intel is lost and unable to pull the performance out at the same time as losing their quality reputation, all of the effected 13-14th Gen would have been recalled instead of them trying to band aid their design flaw.

All of this and the chips and boards are more expensive.... People are saying no thanks and rightly so.

[thunder]

Intel has been making serious mistakes for 3 years and the worst thing is that they knew that the chips were coming out of the factory defective to the point that they did not want to pay RMA for Intel Core 13 and 14 and now ArrowLake and people now before spending almost $ 1,000 on a PC they inform themselves and see reviews and the arguments are seen all AMD x3D processors are out of stock even in Europe they are all out of stock and today nobody buys Intel and now AMD's Top Ryzen 9 9950X3D & 9900X3D 3D V-Cache CPUs To Feature The Same Clocks As Non-X3D Version this is the end of Intel and its hundreds of updates that have not yet solved the Intel microcode problem 0x114 and the Intel CSME 19.0.0.1854v2.2 firmware kit or later will not be able to cope with the X3D chips.

[Charles chevaux]

Potentially looks like a big upgrade for Ultra.  A little late in updates doesn't matter if it's now a much better deal.

[Hotz]

LMAO no dude, the problem is that it is 5% less performance when people expected Intel to be 20%+ better at this point. I am a prior huge Intel fan boy and waited years for Intel to smash Ryzen like they did AMD years ago with the Core2duo but nope...

You are just proving my point. The people who expected +20% performance had unrealistic expectations and didn't listen to anything what Intel said. Intel said many months before release that Arrow Lake will be mainly an update in efficiency and having the new tile-based design, and not a performance update. And that they delivered.

And the people who expected +20% more are mostly the same people, who - quoting myself -

who always must have the latest and bestest RTX 4090 Super Ti, the same people who call everything else trash, the same people who overclock SSDs and RAM, the same people who only use K-processors and never non-K processors, the same people who don't care about temperatures, the same people who don't care about power consumption.

These people cannot be satisfied with anything. They always must have the latest and best hardware. These people would rather prefer a CPU power consumption of 500 Watt, only to brag about how superior they are. These people don't care about any other qualities of the CPU. But these people are enthusiasts and not the majority of the market. For everyone else, Arrow Lake offers a much better package than anything (from Intel) in the last couple of years.

[Marag]

I have an ASUS TUF GAMING Z-890 PLUS WIFI WITH INTEL CORE ULTRA 7 265KF and regardless Tha I have updated to the latest BIOS version 1404 I am still getting random crashes in windows 11 , actually the screen freezes but the PC is working from the backround flawlesly, has anyone any clue about that issue ?
thanks