Lenovo ThinkPad T14, T14s & T15 with AMD Ryzen Pro 4000 (and Intel Comet Lake) announced

[rufus]

Damn, no RJ45 :( I'm very dissapointed but we are buy it anyway because we want to get rid of Intel at our company.

[HI]

To: The guy supporting removal of RJ45 port

You dont know what you are talking about. People who need that port, need it, period.

Dongles etc are not 100% reliable and 100% compatible EVER.
WIFI is not as reliable as ethernet.
Dongle means extra cost, low performance, extra hassle for setting it up, possibility of losing it.
People who work in IT dont have time to fiddle around with stuff which should be working out of the box. Ethernet is an industry standard port for serious work.
Extra steps, extra hardware, extra software adds complexity, incompatibilities, bugs etc.

Just a simple personal example: Whenever I install Linux on my laptop it never detects its wifi, I always have to attach it to my router via RJ45 and download the wifi drivers, follow the steps as per google, and then get it to work. See in my case if Linux also does not recognize the dongle, I am screwed.

If you dont need something, doesnt mean others also dont need it. I dont need a 4x4 truck, doesnt mean nobody needs it.

[kill Lenovo]

To: The guy supporting removal of RJ45 port

You dont know what you are talking about. People who need that port, need it, period.

Dongles etc are not 100% reliable and 100% compatible EVER.
WIFI is not as reliable as ethernet.
Dongle means extra cost, low performance, extra hassle for setting it up, possibility of losing it.
People who work in IT dont have time to fiddle around with stuff which should be working out of the box. Ethernet is an industry standard port for serious work.
Extra steps, extra hardware, extra software adds complexity, incompatibilities, bugs etc.

Just a simple personal example: Whenever I install Linux on my laptop it never detects its wifi, I always have to attach it to my router via RJ45 and download the wifi drivers, follow the steps as per google, and then get it to work. See in my case if Linux also does not recognize the dongle, I am screwed.

If you dont need something, doesnt mean others also dont need it. I dont need a 4x4 truck, doesnt mean nobody needs it.

Totaly agree. Ethernet port is enterprice standard. It's removement is reason to categorize device as non enterprice crap for plebs. And such device doesn't have right to cost costs like thinkpads.

[kill Lenovo]

with the new AMD Ryzen Pro 4000 CPUs

However, the attached pdfs say,

Up to 3rd generation AMD Ryzen R7 PRO professors

It's always good to have 3rd generation professor by hand.

[Benjamin Herzig]

Dongles etc are not 100% reliable and 100% compatible EVER

That this is not entirely true. In fact, all current Lenovo ThinkPads have Ethernet, if they have a full size RJ45 port or not. All of them have an inbuilt Ethernet chipset and a proprietary mini-Ethernet adapter like this one. The advantage of this dongle is that it puts out native Ethernet, so it is as reliable & compatible as it can be.  ;)

When it comes to the discussion about the full-size RJ45 port, I think the need for this port is slowly disappearing, at least in the mainstream market. It used to be the case that Wi-Fi was rarer and much worse in quality. These days, Wi-Fi is much more proliferated and Wi-Fi AC/AX have really improved the speed and quality.

There are still users like network engineers and admins that will need Ethernet every day, but I do think that group is a small minority. Probably, Lenovo decided that putting the native mini-Ethernet port on is an acceptable compromise for the Ultrabook-type systems.

Regarding the T14 with AMD CPUs: The pictures that Lenovo has given us clearly show a full-size RJ45 port on this model. I have asked Lenovo for clarification if the spec-sheet is incomplete or if the pictures are wrong.  :)

[doa379]

Ditch that FHD screen!

[MarkC]

Would be nice to see AMD on X1 Carbon version

[Thinkpad Fan]

Dongles etc are not 100% reliable and 100% compatible EVER

That this is not entirely true. In fact, all current Lenovo ThinkPads have Ethernet, if they have a full size RJ45 port or not. All of them have an inbuilt Ethernet chipset and a proprietary mini-Ethernet adapter like this one. The advantage of this dongle is that it puts out native Ethernet, so it is as reliable & compatible as it can be.  ;)

When it comes to the discussion about the full-size RJ45 port, I think the need for this port is slowly disappearing, at least in the mainstream market. It used to be the case that Wi-Fi was rarer and much worse in quality. These days, Wi-Fi is much more proliferated and Wi-Fi AC/AX have really improved the speed and quality.

There are still users like network engineers and admins that will need Ethernet every day, but I do think that group is a small minority. Probably, Lenovo decided that putting the native mini-Ethernet port on is an acceptable compromise for the Ultrabook-type systems.

Regarding the T14 with AMD CPUs: The pictures that Lenovo has given us clearly show a full-size RJ45 port on this model. I have asked Lenovo for clarification if the spec-sheet is incomplete or if the pictures are wrong.  :)

For one, I'm very glad that Lenovo has decided to actually keep RJ45 in these business notebooks. There's no justification to remove it from their T-series machines that aren't intended to be ultrabooks (those are X1 for a reason).

Also, spending $30+tax+shipping on a separate dongle just to use Ethernet is stupid, especially when you now have another wear item to deal with (a cable, the weird proprietary ethernet connector, etc). RJ45 is such a KISS-following connector that it doesn't really wear out. I have no clue how durable this $30 cashgrab connector is, but I've got a feeling it's not terribly great.

There's still plenty of reasons for full size ethernet, and there's little reason for professionals to compromise with Lenovo's garbage solution when there's numerous companies selling business-grade hardware with dedicated Ethernet instead of trying to appeal to consumers across their entire lineup.

So yeah. I'm glad Lenovo kept it. I can't say they will for much longer, though.

[123]

... And again, a plethora of FHD displays for AMD, and either FHD or 4K for Intel. How hard is is to make an AMD Thinkpad with 14" WQHD display?!

[NikoB]

I don't understand for whom all manufacturers rivet this garbage with sloppy "IPS" with the infamous 45% NTSC and 250 nit?

While smartphones for the poor for $ 80 have 72% + NTSC much better viewing angles and brightness under 500 nits.

[ThinkPro]

Found this Datasheet, and AMD version still doesn't have TB3 ??
nbreview.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/ThinkPad-T14s-AMD-Datasheet.pdf

[Alessandro Pino]

Why no Ryzen 4000 on the T15? I was looking to buy one.

[A]

Why no Ryzen 4000 on the T15? I was looking to buy one.

The T15 AMD Ryzen version would be nice, but I am afraid their keyboard layout might be a dealbreaker as well. They have so much space to the point of there being extra space under the number pad. But those arrow keys look smallish and I am not sure why they stuck page up and page down there. That is like asking someone to misclick instead of left or right those keys.

[okidoki]

Soldered ram... AVOID.

[sfdks;ajfklds]

Soldered ram... AVOID.

If its LPDDR4x I would gladly take soldered ram for the increased bandwidth and longer battery life.