Quote from: Fredrik the Fanless God on February 10, 2020, 01:41:05
That which i wrote in the previous comment to you, reply #7. Nothing you wrote changed any of it.
Quote from: Fredrik the Fanless God on February 10, 2020, 01:41:05
why did you even begin to rant about throttling and CPU in reply #8 , if you knew that i was in the right about knowing my personal needs for processing power as described in reply #7? Nothing you wrote in reply #8 was the least bit helpful.
Quote from: Fredrik the Fanless God on February 10, 2020, 01:41:05
In reply #7 i clarified to such a degree that you can't possibly have misunderstood it, that to me and those others
No. I replied to you with #8 specifically to tell you that your rant in reply #7, in which the subject was "
you", (i.e. everybody else; or possibly worse,
me, the subject of your reply, since you failed to provide context):
Quote from: Fredrik on February 07, 2020, 23:27:24
i can tell you that as just with electric cars, once you've had a laptop, intended for home use in a quiet living room or bedroom, that's completely quiet 100% of the time regardless of load, you NEVER go back to a laptop with a fan and 100% meaningless processor power. The noise from a fan is 100% unacceptable.
doesn't stand, with my own experience, which you called "meaningless personal anecdotes", more laughably, "subjective personal beliefs", as if your obsession with fanless is based on objective facts.
Quote from: S.Yu on February 09, 2020, 23:03:40Indeed..
Quote from: Fredrik the Fanless God on February 10, 2020, 01:41:05
your opinion, that you now admit you knew was irrelevant
My opinion was irrelevant only under the condition that your statement expressed your opinion, yours only, at which you obviously failed, as you tried to represent everybody including me; therefore my opinion was not irrelevant without the above condition having been met at the time of my reply. It was relevant to disputing your blanket statement.
Citing one word out of the context of a paragraph, talk about futile struggle.
Quote from: Fredrik the Fanless God on February 10, 2020, 01:41:05
1. Choice indicates that one and the same model is available with both fan and fanless design, this is not the case.
There's no practical value in your argument, because the vast majority of electronics isn't configured like that. Following your argument Samsung would never acknowledge need for a headphone jack because they've never released the same model with and without the jack as an experiment to determine how many people need the jack. However because Samsung killed the jack in their flagships I'm now looking elsewhere, entirely different models from different brands aside from the fact that they keep the jack, as are other people who need the jack. People who truly need fanless would buy fanless regardless of lack of complete equivalence otherwise.
Also, devices configured like that lose what you call "a longer life span, because no dust find's it's way to the inside", because it will share a grilled chassis with the ventilated variants. Lack of ventilation also commonly leads to much higher SoC temperature to partially relief throttling, which shortens the lifespan of the silicon. For example the SoC in the fanless Macbook easily reaches 95°C.
Quote from: Fredrik the Fanless God on February 10, 2020, 01:41:05
2. Regarding what they actually buy in the end, would you say that a large portion of all laptop buyers in the world have a high level of knowledge regarding how CPU efficient a laptop can be using a CPU efficient operating system, or a tweaked version of Windows, and the most CPU efficient browers and programs, instead of well known CPU hoggers like Edge and Onenote? Of those who aren't, who instead buy based on the retailers advise, do you think that the seller would steer people towards laptops with cheaper 5W TDP processors, or towards expensive 15W TDP processors with ignorant, false or misleading bogus arguments as CPU power needs for programs like Edge, Onenote and MadVR?
1. You're saying that devices with low performance are necessarily cheaper and have lower margins than those with high performance, this was never the case, as demonstrated in the past by devices like VAIO X, and Dell Adamo, and still is not the case, case in point the subject of this very thread, the Porsche Design Ultra One.
2. You say it as if Edge is at fault, however Edge is commonly used in battery benchmarks not only because it comes preinstalled but because it's more efficient than Chrome, and Chrome is the most popular browser in the world by far, overall and on PC. The alternatives to Onenote are also far inferior, like Evernote, which rather functions like a database for Word documents than a true digital evolution to the paper notebook.
People can
also have valid reasons for using what they're using, instead of suggesting that they don't know how to jump through the hoops to go fanless, there's also the possibility that they could simply choose not to jump, and choose one of the vast majority of PCs with a fan, as if that fact wasn't obvious. That ventilated designs simply work without software limitations, extensive user end adjustments and modifications(much less Linux!) is a valid reason for many to choose ventilated, the fuss-free experience to those people is more important than absolute operational silence.
Quote from: Fredrik the Fanless God on February 10, 2020, 01:41:05
3. The quotation about 100% meaningless processing power refered to those who have actually tried a fanless laptop and considered the silent design more important, over the added processing power compared to the fanless model.
Too late for that, the original sentence read nothing like your current interpretation.
Quote from: Fredrik the Fanless God on February 10, 2020, 01:41:05
you on the other hand is trying to convince someone who knows very well what processing power they need, that they actually need more, which they obviously don't, which makes you ignorant, or worse.
Let's review what your original comment said:
Quote from: Fredrik on February 03, 2020, 23:58:52
Is there any possibility you can have this model of the Ultra One re-tested, and maybe also get a hold of a test unit of the cheaper version, and see if the problems with the noisy SSD remains on either this or both versions, and if any improvements have been made regarding it's rather poor battery life?
Porsche refuses to acknowledge the noisy SSD when i've contacted them, but if that was only a problem on the test unit, i'm considering this model, since it is completely unique on the market, with a combination of 15.6-inch screen, fanless design, back-lit keyboard, with dedicated Home/End/PgUp/PgDn-key. The only other back-lit fanless 15.6-inch model i know of is a Chromebook, that has way to few keys on the keyboard, and how well it works with Linux i don't know.
Regarding the combination of the screen, the noisy SSD and the battery life, i don't get the score either.
Where does it say, "I, Fredrik the Fanless God, know very well what processing power I need, which is not the, according to me, '100% meaningless' processing power afforded by the fan."
Oh, so whoever can't get inside your head is automatically "ignorant or worse"? That certainly says a lot about you, though much of that was already clear from how you phrased your first reply to me.
Quote from: Fredrik the Fanless God on February 10, 2020, 01:41:05
You might also wanna factor in that 20-40% of the population is noise sensitive(that would be 1.5-3 billion people), and 12-15% are highly noise sensitive.
You might wanna tell that to the manufacturers. Wow! 20-40% of the population need fanless! Surely there's a way to sell fanless to all those people marketed as some premium feature instead of allowing low performance to be associated with low end and hurt margins! Why isn't it "
available" to all those people!
Quote from: Fredrik the Fanless God on February 10, 2020, 01:41:05
I have over the last 6 years helped over three dozen friends and acquaintances(most from the latter category, HNS) with a switch to a fanless laptop based purely on the fanless design and noise level, and of those 100% love their silent laptops because of their silence, and 0% have turned back because of lack of CPU power.
Talk about "meaningless personal anecdote".
Quote from: Fredrik the Fanless God on February 10, 2020, 01:41:05
I have not argued that my argumentation is meaningful to any portion of the population,
Again, too late, you comment obviously didn't read that way.
Quote from: Fredrik the Fanless God on February 10, 2020, 01:41:05
although it clearly is.
Ha, there again your personal anecdote is "meaningful to the population", while mine is "meaningless and misguided".
Quote from: Fredrik the Fanless God on February 10, 2020, 01:41:05
I was simply trying to help you understand the fact that your opinion about how much processing power other people need is irrelevant and still very misguided.
Oh really, here we are at Notebookcheck with a battery of dozens of benchmarks conducted for each model directed at processing power, while Fredrik the Fanless God comes along and says "processing power is irrelevant, to the extent that any performance afforded by a fan is 'meaningless', 'other people' just need a 5W fanless, just tell me about the
NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE, oh, and the screen size."
Quote from: Fredrik the Fanless God on February 10, 2020, 01:41:05
Is this your personal opinion? My personal opinion is that it is a defect
No, it's legally not a defect, like how TV panels can ship with usually under 3 black or white pixels without being liable to return as a defective unit. If your manufacturer policy explicitly states that coil whine is a defect, then good for you, you're probably in Europe where consumer protection is somewhat over the top and electronics have a significant markup compared to the most of the rest of the world, in which case you're still paying for it, as I said.
Quote from: Fredrik the Fanless God on February 10, 2020, 01:41:05
So now the coil whine is intended on certain models, and on those models it isn't certain that you can find a unit without the intended coil whine? Good to know. ::)
No, but complete absence of coil whine is not universally intended.
Quote from: S.Yu on February 09, 2020, 23:03:40..just don't spray it like you're the indisputable authority regarding the trade-off between performance and ventilation
Quote from: Fredrik the Fanless God on February 10, 2020, 01:41:05
to anyone who is noise sensitive, i am the authority
Did you really dispute me? At reply #6, the one you replied to, did anybody in the thread say that they're noise-sensitive and needed your spiritual guidance? Is anybody noise-sensitive in this thread aside from you? Who were you imposing your Godly authority onto with your arrogant and condescending reply to a comment that only consisted of a suggestion based on a fact, which,
entirely unclear at the time, happened to be irrelevant to your personal needs?
Quote from: Fredrik the Fanless God on February 10, 2020, 01:41:05
If someone had the need for gaming, obsessive video quality, Edge and Onenote, i can see why some misguided people would consider asking you for advice.
Godly Fredrik continues his
holy preaching: gaming, proper playback of video content, Microsoft's embedded browser and a functionally irreplaceable productivity app are all misguided,
THE ONLY WAY IS THE WAY OF ABSOLUTE SILENCE.