Apple MacBook Pro 16 2023 Review - M2 Max challenges GeForce RTX 3080 Ti

[NikoB]

Even the fact that most business software is missing on Macs immediately reduces their score by 20%.

[sya]

the response time parameter become more useless in this review because they have changed the tools compared to the last time with m1 chip, so, I can't really know wich one is accurate. all what I know both the m1 and m2 display is very slow to unacceptable level, especially in 2023.
this screen affects everyday usage, but most of the youtubers don't cover that as they want to please apple to receive free product. unfortunately notebookcheck follow the train.

I don't know if I can trust this review.   

[NikoB]

So Apple buyers is a cult, if Apple moves to AMOLED, everyone from in a sect will buy AMOLED, even with low-frequency PWM. To make a non-flickering and matte, high-contrast microLED Apple did not succeed, like other manufacturers. And the only hope is an alternative to the damned, for the eyes, AMOLED.

We all are waiting for microLED, although while waiting for it will grow old ...

[DonGod]

the response time parameter become more useless in this review because they have changed the tools compared to the last time with m1 chip, so, I can't really know wich one is accurate. all what I know both the m1 and m2 display is very slow to unacceptable level, especially in 2023.
this screen affects everyday usage, but most of the youtubers don't cover that as they want to please apple to receive free product. unfortunately notebookcheck follow the train.

I don't know if I can trust this review.   

I bought an M2 Macbook pro two weeks ago. The display is a dream, I see no issues with it, even playing some games (like Rise of the Tomb Raider) at native resolution. Coming from a series of expensive Windows laptops, the display is the most visible and permanent improvement, next to build quality and "snapiness" of the laptop overall. Comparable apps start significantly faster than on my windows laptop (which as a very fast NVME drive).

[Bruh]

All MacBook rating from 91~94%.
All Windows laptops rating less than 91%.
Really interesting. You should have changed your website name to MacbookCHECK.

Bruh maybe it's because no Windows laptop has a good trackpad or good speakers (besides XPS)?? Or doesn't overheat or have more than 6h battery life (those with higher than Intel U series)?? All those in 1 laptop!

[NikoB]

Bruh maybe it's because no Windows laptop has a good trackpad or good speakers (besides XPS)?? Or doesn't overheat or have more than 6h battery life (those with higher than Intel U series)?? All those in 1 laptop!

x86 simply beats all Mac's with the presence of a numpad, which is required in all business and scientific applications. That is why the x86 market share has been overwhelming for 30 years. The choice of laptops is orders of magnitude larger. You are not limited by a always glossy glare screen, a skimpy keyboard (and not the best tactile) and a bunch of other restrictions. And x86 OS is many times more flexible than MacOS and has thousands of times more commercial and free software. New macbooks are good in terms of the level of hardware inside, espessialy in term of balance, but not on the choice for buyers of external design and expansion options. And overpriced always. And they will never equal the base of accumulated professional/entertaiment software...

[Andhika Prasetya]

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[NikoB]

It already seems to me now that Apple, because of their arrogance, is destined for the fate of IBM in the x86 market 30 years ago, only now in the Arm niche. If Apple is smart enough, they need to become a new analogue of Intel - sell their processors to everyone who wants to - and thereby become an analogue of TSMC, only in the Arm processor market, because. they have assembled what is clearly the best development team to date.

And then they will be able to produce the best processors on the Arm architecture for the entire market, but on a much larger scale, loading factory lines like TSMC to the eyeballs. And laptop manufacturers on them will receive a ready-made solution for creating different models of laptops, and not what it is now.

Thus, Apple will be able to reign in the market for at least another 10-15 years. And then we'll see...

[Yi]

It already seems to me now that Apple, because of their arrogance, is destined for the fate of IBM in the x86 market 30 years ago, only now in the Arm niche. If Apple is smart enough, they need to become a new analogue of Intel - sell their processors to everyone who wants to - and thereby become an analogue of TSMC, only in the Arm processor market, because. they have assembled what is clearly the best development team to date.

And then they will be able to produce the best processors on the Arm architecture for the entire market, but on a much larger scale, loading factory lines like TSMC to the eyeballs. And laptop manufacturers on them will receive a ready-made solution for creating different models of laptops, and not what it is now.

Thus, Apple will be able to reign in the market for at least another 10-15 years. And then we'll see...

Nobody will spend more than $1000 for a laptop chip, and I don't think Apple will sell the chip at any lower price when M2 Max has almost same performance of 7940HS+4070.

[RobertJasiek]

M2 Max has almost same performance of 7940HS+4070.

1) In such comparisons, it would be good practice to specify that the 4070 Laptop GPU is meant.

2) A general statement comparing speeds between an Apple-M-Chip and a PC's CPU+GPU combinatíon is meaningless because speeds vary extremely depending on software etc. Examples:

a) M2 Max might be faster in hardware encoding video transcoding.

b) For machine learning compute, I have found that 4070 desktop is 32.5 times as fast as M1. According to NBC TimeSpyGraphics testing, 4070 desktop is 1.58 times as fast as 4070 laptop. M2 Max is 5.56 times as fast as M1. We get 32.5 / 1.58 = 20.57 relative speed of 4070 laptop vs. M1. So 20.57 / 5.56 = 3.7 relative speed of 4070 laptop vs. M2 Max.

And no, 3.7 speed of a PC notebook is not "almost same performance". Stop brainwashing people with respect to Apple-M speeds! We are sick of lies, desinformation and uninformation!

[Francisco]

All MacBook rating from 91~94%.
All Windows laptops rating less than 91%.
Really interesting. You should have changed your website name to MacbookCHECK.

Yeah I know, it's because the MacBooks are better laptops.

[NikoB]

All MacBook rating from 91~94%.
All Windows laptops rating less than 91%.
Really interesting. You should have changed your website name to MacbookCHECK.

The difference only in the speed of the memory controller M2 Max vs the best x86 solutions for laptops reaches 5-6 times in favor of Apple. Why give this shameful trash x86 such a high rating against such a shameful background for him? Not to mention battery life and noise in a balanced profile.

x86 has real advantages, just like Apple's drawbacks are obvious (a monopoly on solutions and their narrowness of options), but in general, there are fewer and fewer well-made laptops in retail exactly on x86. And even more balanced decisions ...

[Tim Apple the 2nd]

Again, and I've said it before... mini-LED is not a display type you're comparing apples to oranges if you are comparing mini-LED with OLED or IPS. mini-LED is only a backlight technology. You do not even mention if the screen is IPS LCD or something else?