Government investigation finds Tesla FSD was indeed engaged during the Bay Bridge pileup

[Annemouse]

Tailgating causes wrecks. Leave enough room to stop. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Annemouse]

So maybe the first car behind the Tesla has an excuse if the Tesla merged aggressively when there wasn't actually room to do so safely. The rest behind the first? No excuse.

[MarkF]

Annemouse:. I take it you have never been involved in a chain reaction crash.   When the car in front of you goes from 50-60 miles an hour to 0 almost instantly because it ran into something, not because of braking because that is slower than crashing,  it takes you a fraction of a second to react to that, that fraction of a second is magnified by the number of cars in the line.  Even when cars don't crash from it if you see a sudden slow down on the highway it is always a couple cars back the line where someone has to swerve off on to the shoulder to avoid a crash because they didn't have the same time to react to the problem.   In this case if it hadn't been in the tunnel with no escape path or shoulder, maybe the accident doesn't happen, but in the real world tunnels exist and so do regular roads that have no escape path.

And to those who say cutting someone off is not illegal, actually it is, that is called either reckless driving or in some states aggressive driving and both of them can get you a ticket and points on your license.

[Samsungiphone]

I think that even though the driver put the car in auto pilot that the driver was still at fault. First of all the driver should of been aware that car was slowing down and if it was why didn't he accelerate. Secondly if the driver wasn't aware of the car slowing down that would Mean to say the driver wasn't paying attention and was busy doing something else. Where Tesla always says all drivers must be attentive when using autopilot. Last the drivers behind the tesla should of seen the brake lights and should of had enough time to hit their brakes. Which means that all the drivers in the pile up where driving to close ( tailgating) that they didn't have time to give them enough time to brake or they were too busy themselves to brake on time.
Summary of this comment is that there are people who drive tesla cars "NEED" to be attentive at all times while using autopilot. It is impossible that the tesla driver didn't notice or feel the car was slowing down if they did then the driver would of taken action by stepping on the accelerator. So although the driver out the car in autopilot and the FSD became defective for slowing down its still the driver who is still at fault for NOT TRYING the car from slowing down that turned into a pile up. Has anyone looked in the cabin camera seconds before the accident. That's the only real proof of what the drivers actions were when they realized the car was slowing down coming to a stop. Because again if the the diver blamed it on FSD and knew of the car slowing down the driver could of stepped on the brake to disengage autopilot and continue on to normal driving. So I believe that it's not TESLA's fault for a defective FSD. IT'S TOTALLY THE DRIVERS FAULT FOR NOT PAYING ATTENTION. Tesla has warning alerts whenever the car will take any actions. If the driver claims he's not at fault and puts the blame on tesla for a defective FSD it's BS and just want to get out from paying for the accident and increase of his insurance and wants to get money from tesla. We all know that TESLA cars are not perfect. And that goes for all brands of EV cars. Taking that to mind anyone who buys EV cars are not informed of that they must be attentive when driving even though they have autopilot. Except tesla. Tesla informs their car owners that must be they still need to be attentive when driving. Tesla car owners also read it when when sitting the car up and when they get certain software updates. The blue flashing alert light on the screen can be seen if you're diving. People always want to know fast they are going. So the driver can't any there was no warning for them to take any action. DRIVER IS AT FAULT.

[Samsungiphone]

The government finds that the car was in FULL SELF DRIVING mode. So what if the car was in FSD mode. The driver can take necessary actions even if the car was in FSD. Quickly pressing the brake to disable FSD is what I do when I feel that car is wanting to do something i dont is safe. When the car is slowing down for a stoplight I can press on the accelerator to speed back up. The government came to the conclusion that TESLA is at fault for a defective FSD. I would seriously investigate a little more into what were the drivers actions on preventing the car from slowing down. Anyone in any car can feel and see if their car is slowing down. We what did he do? If the driver was to blind and numb to feel and see the car slowing down maybe he heard the alerts the car gives out when something like that happens. I know when coming to a stoplight and the stoplight is green the car gives an alert telling me that it will come to a stop unless I press on the accelerator to proceed. So did the driver get any alerts prior to the car slowing down? What did the driver do. Did he just allow the car to do what the car thought was right? Can't blame TESLA for drivers not being attentive and just being plain stupid. Let me give all of you my story. I'm driving 880 south going to 237 east. The bridge on the east bound lane I can see stoplights on the next exit om calaveras. While I was on FSD on 880 south exiting on the 237 east on the right  lane not on the fastrak lane my car picked uo the stop light on calaveras and my car alerted me and started to slow down. I was like WTF? I pressed on the accelerator but I also checked the monitor at the same time  informing me that that the car was approaching a stop light and will stop and for me to proceed that I need to press on the accelerator. What I did was accelerate. While this happened my hands were still on the steering wheel like always just in case I needed to take any extra measures if something were to go wrong. So I believe that the government can't blame TESLA even if the FSD was defective because the driver still can take necessary actions to disable FSD when the driver noticed the car was slowing down. The diver was not paying attention at the time. Yes the diver can say FSD was enabled. The question that any investigator should ask is what were the drivers action was. Did he try to press on the accelerator? Did he try to disable FSD?  In my opinion the driver is at fault. I believe that there are ways to find out if the driver tries to press the accelerator or tap on the brakes to disable FSD. Need to investigate any warning alerts. Check cabin cameras. If driver was doing making actions to the alerts or what was the driver doing peridod.to put the blame on tesla right away is just wrong. Need to look and investigate thoroughly from both sides.

[Shelly]

You can't blame the auto industry for people driving unsafe.Noone will go in the wind with this like you planned.Maybe the other drivers shouldn't of been so close then.Whos fault?100%driver.Next you'll be trying to go at the car dealerships and you need to quit the hate.How many recalls on all automobiles of others?With the pollution automobiles are causing it's the only smart solution.Dont hate it.

[Bj]

Wasn't the Tesla's fault. I can stand on the brakes for a retread or a piece of litter. Anyone following has a duty to stop in time. Following too close was the cause. However, if Tesla can stop faster than other cars let's hear it.

[MarkF]

BJ: you don't stand on the brakes for those things though, because as a self aware human being you know the possibility of injuring yourself and damaging your vehicle, you react to those situations as any reasonable person would.   The self driving software is not self aware, and has no self preservation instinct.  Bottom line as others have said is we are all in this science experiment to see if it will work without killing too many people.  They are fully aware this software is going to kill some, but unless you are famous or politically connected, your life means nothing.  You are just a number on a stat sheet, and as soon as someone with political pull or Hollywood fame gets seriously injured or killed then we will see this system removed from the vehicles.   Do any of you really think anyone would remember the Titanic 100 years later if it didn't have a first class section?  Can anyone remember the name of someone killed in a helicopter other than Kobe?  Common everyday hard working people don't matter, we are just numbers on a piece of paper to the corporate heads.  Just lab rats in their experiment, expendable.