3080 beat 2080ti in ray traced games, but just around 25%.This 'cause low bandwidth and sm instruction changes WITHOUT optimize cuda aswell... so, even with doubled cuda clocked at 165 mhz more, with new gen tensor and rt, 25% more bandwith, the performance are Lower then expected but still, good card. Now, a card that you call 3060ti ( 38sm ), that have not doubled cuda but around 60 % more cuda if compared to 2080 ( 46 sm ), without knowing the clocks, with same bandwidth, will easy beat 2080, as you said, clock by clock? Maybe. BUT without knowing the clocks is just an arrogant statement. The " normal " 3060 will be clocked around 1740/1755 mhz ( 3090=1695mhz---3080=1710---3070=1725 ). So, the vanilla 3060, for logic, will be either 1740/1755 mhz clock, also confirmed by leakers that had right info on other cards of this series.Now, if the 1755mhz is the clock of 3060, then 1740mhz can be for an hypotetical clock for the rumored 3050 or either the 3060ti. I would call that super, but who care about names. I think the 3060ti, to get that tdp, will have Lower clocks, if that tdp is right ( I point around 200w tdp ). BUT let's say it's clocked at 1740 mhz. 2080 had 1710 ( the not-o.c. f.e. version ) so, a card with 60% more cuda that suck, clocked at just 30 mhz more of vanilla 2080, same bandwidth,same type of gddr vram. Less rt ( 38 vs 46 ) way less tensor for dlss support ( 152 vs 368 ) will beat clock by clock the 2080? With that clock, Yes, but don't expect to beat also the 2080 super or even go near the 2080ti. It will be from t to 10% better of 2080, and I'm being optimistic. Just learn some mere base math and will be easy to understand that eill be the range of performance increase over 2080. Maybe even less expecially in ray tracing and before day anything, give a long look at 3080 detailed specs, compare to 2080ti, and you will understand how badly this cards need more bandwidth and expecially how this cuda are inefficient at this Big numbers, with this clocks. Don't just Judge a book from a cover, be smart. And give credif yo videocardz.