Quote from: Do facts matter? on June 07, 2026, 22:38:05This is an even bigger threat to intel and AMD on mobile because let's face it, what sells their x86 mobile cpus on laptop isn't their igpus but the Nvidia dgpu sticker. And now Nvidia is beginning to bypass them both, without needing their cpus.

This.

While both AMD & Intel have stepped up their iGPU's in SOME of their APU's to be 'usable' the Nvidia Spark likely will run circles around their offerings.

Sadly for us CONSUMERS is that much like AMD & Intel the Nvidia chips will only ship on HIGHER END (read: very high cost!) platforms.

IDK how many folks have $3-5K to drop on a "gaming" laptop.

Quote from: It should be noted on Yesterday at 17:13:43That this is still faster than the igpu in the neo.

No, it's not. Check "3DMark Steel Nomad Light":

Macbook Neo: 1702 points
2 Xe3 Graphics: 1228 points

Source: youtu.be/ygZ0CayoT6s?si=t176Tkn6Hfw_9kdb&t=454

So the Macbook Neo iGPU is 40% faster, which is a lot. Only in gaming the Macbook loses, because it has to use an emulation layer. But if the app runs natively on Mac (and the above Benchmark does), it's miles ahead.

Sure, however lets add a few things...

- a better general reference might be the "Steam Deck" & AMD 780M/740M series vs the 840M

- surely in efforts to confuse potential customers, the Panther Lake APU's that actually HAVE decent iGPU's have an 'X' in the naming convention

- last but not least no attempt was made to use 720P or lower resolution along with 'frame gen' as many of the products with weak GPU's do to get 'playable' frame rates.