Wer sich ein ultra dünnes 1,6kg-Federgewicht kauft, muss mit einem der beiden Kompromisse leben: Laute Lüfter oder starke Leistungsdrosselung. Bzw. eben beidem. Ich hoffe, Apple kommt irgendwann zu Sinnen und erhöht Gehäuse"dicke" und das Gewicht auf 2kg. Beim 16er bitte auch weg von der Schlankheitssucht und auf 2,5 bis 2,8kg erhöhen. Das sind Apples Highendnotebooks. Für Kunden mit Muskelschwund im Endstadium haben sie das Air und Neo.

Quote from: u sure? on Today at 13:21:57To add a few more same-or-better things: no fan, no sleep issues, at least a 16:10 screen ratio (Air' 1.545 could be argued to be even better than 16:10), glossy screen (subjective, but prefer a glossy one), the amount of mics, full high-quality aluminum chassis, .. ? (I may add more things).

16:10 yes, most windows OEMs seem to have got the message. fans - there are fans on LNL laptops but you could likely tweak this in settings to make fanless at the cost of sacrificing some performance. Also, I don't think fans are necessarily terrible, the switch 1 had a fan and it sold over 100 million. As long as it a fairly quiet not a annoying fan which most LNL are under light loads anyway.

Sleep issues - I will defer this question to someone with more knowledge than me. :p I personally don't run into such issues but I also know some OEMs are a lot worse at it than others. Something about how they handle their firmware. *coughs* Asus.

The rest of questions - probably best to see laptop in real life and make the decision urself.

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Aha! Macbooks hatten ja immer den Ruf superleise zu sein, aber jetzt sieht man doch dass sie bei ähnlich starker Hardware wie in "Gaming-Notebooks" eine ähnliche Lautstärke erreichen. Vielleicht immer noch ein bisschen leiser als die Gaming-Boliden, aber man sieht trotzdem dass auch dort langsam das Limit erreicht ist.

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It depends on ur region, but the other day saw a deal that has now expired for a yoga slim 7 14" w/ core ultra 258v for around 760. Mind you this is brand new, so refurb'ed likely can get slightly cheaper.

It seems MLID was right, Intel+OEMs kind of massively overstocked lunar lake supply before ram crisis. So now they're attempting to drop prices to make room for new panther lake stock in retail stores. Where I'm at, I'm seeing LNL laptops in the range of 499-800 often (the ones comparable to MBA quality are closer to 700), when on deals. (again, brand new, not even looking at refurb yet)

Quote from: u sure? on Today at 12:51:57(same or better: battery, trackpad, screen, look, weight, iGPU performance, single core performance (matters most for day-to-day usage, as seen by the Mozilla Kraken benchmark), speakers, ..)

Depends on brand / model you get. I would personally try out and see laptop yourself in store if you can because everyone has different personal opinions. For example, I'm not fan of haptic trackpads and I think MacBook displays and speakers is wildly overrated but maybe I'm just insane or blind + deaf, and just too used to using broken crappy setups to adjust to anything else or tell the difference. That was just my personal experience briefly trying a MacBook for a few months from Costco and then returning it. (If you do wish to try out Macs - Costco has the best return policy - 90 days no questions asked)

Nothing touches apple single core performance but pros and cons to everything. I can't stand macOS personally or their shallow keyboards, so I'm willing to make some sacrifices or concessions here. You would likely have better game compatibility and not have to deal with emulation issues on windows x86 - so I'd say the igpu perf would be slightly better, yea.