With the ProArt PX13, Asus has a new 13.3-inch 2-in-1 with powerful hardware in its range. In addition to the brand new AMD Zen 5 mobile processors, it also comes with a GeForce 4070 laptop. However, the OLED touchscreen only offers a 60 Hz frequency which raises questions given the high asking price. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ProArt-PX13-review-The-world-s-fastest-13-3-inch-2-in-1-thanks-to-AMD-Zen-5-and-RTX-4070-laptop.868429.0.html
Too expensive for what actually is inside.
Thanks for this review. Great Job!
Quote from: vladteapa on July 29, 2024, 10:42:07Too expensive for what actually is inside.
What do you mean by "for what actually is inside". It's literally the fastest 13" laptop in the world, and doesn't have an Intel defective CPU inside, which is another plus!
What did you expect it to have inside?
The only relevant "minus" is on the outside: the 60 Hz screen.
Quote from: heffeque on July 29, 2024, 14:01:52and doesn't have an Intel defective CPU inside, which is another plus!
Why would a desktop CPU be inside of a 13" laptop?
Quote from: Worgarthe on July 29, 2024, 14:26:44Why would a desktop CPU be inside of a 13" laptop?
I don't know, why would a desktop CPU be inside of a 13" laptop?
Such a strange thing to ask.
Quote from: heffeque on July 29, 2024, 15:40:53Such a strange thing to ask.
Equally strange as pointing out that a plus here for this laptop is that it doesn't have those
desktop RAPTOR LAKE (not mobile!) CPUs inside:
Quote from: heffeque on July 29, 2024, 14:01:52and doesn't have an Intel defective CPU inside, which is another plus!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Unless you claim that Meteor or Lunar Lake are defective, that's a different and yet-to-be-told story...
Quote from: Worgarthe on July 29, 2024, 15:46:26Unless you claim that Meteor or Lunar Lake are defective, that's a different and yet-to-be-told story...
Are you from the past?
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/dev-reports-that-intels-laptop-cpus-are-also-crashing-several-laptops-have-suffered-similar-crashes-in-testing
.
Quote from: heffeque on July 29, 2024, 15:55:29https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/dev-reports-that-intels-laptop-cpus-are-also-crashing-several-laptops-have-suffered-similar-crashes-in-testing
Yeah,
"several laptops", nothing confirmed or verified at all. I used to have an AMD laptop, it died. It must mean that all AMD-based laptops are dying, right? Like AMD, Apple or Qualcomm are not known to have officially confirmed design flaws at all in their mobile chips...
It's developers commenting about these issues on Intel laptops, not uncle Ben.
Yes, I'm aware or that Mr. heffeque, but the whole article you linked is referring to this exact and particular comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1e13ipy/comment/lcyythb/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1e13ipy/comment/lcyythb/)
I'm not on anyone's side (Intel, AMD...), the situation isn't good, but I just find it intriguing how people will worship AMD and ignore their issues but immediately point those same/similar issues with everyone else, so in Intel, Apple and now even Qualcomm with their X Elite and X Plus chips.
Ignore their issues?
How so?
Right now their issues are paper launches and drivers not being up to par on launch day.
Seeing how efficiency is getting better (not worse) on AMD processors, things seem to point in the right direction.
On Intel's side of issue list it doesn't look that good: processors that need more power each generation (eating on efficiency and heat management), and crashes when power is needed. That doesn't seem like it's going on the right direction.
What about uefi boot firmware?
Have they fixed the issue with publishing test keys???
What about it (haven't heard about it).
Would this drive an external 38" wide-screen capable of 144hz at at 144 or 120hz?
Quote from: Chris Witzgall on July 29, 2024, 18:53:07Would this drive an external 38" wide-screen capable of 144hz at at 144 or 120hz?
Yes.
It's not 2-in-1, it's a normal laptop.
While I'm a BIG FAN of 'shoehorning' capable hardware in smaller form factors (Disclaimer: I own an aging Razor Stealth) I'm not quite sure of the market & use for this product is.
IMHO: the big challenges in the 13" segment is finding room for effective cooling and stuffing enough Wh of batteries to keep the system going.
Given that the iGPU ought to be 'good enough' I question why they bothered with adding a dGPU in the first place. (video editing?)
Even more confusing why Team Red & Team Blue Fanboi's are pitching fights with each other in the comments on THIS product. :)
Quote from: haha on July 29, 2024, 19:18:26It's not 2-in-1, it's a normal laptop.
It's a 2-in-1.
Quote from: Myname12321 on July 29, 2024, 17:58:36What about uefi boot firmware?
Have they fixed the issue with publishing test keys???
No, they haven't and won't fix this. Relying on OEMs to secure their own systems was never going to be a thing.
Quote from: vladteapa on July 29, 2024, 10:42:07Too expensive for what actually is inside.
Quote from: haha on July 29, 2024, 19:18:26It's not 2-in-1, it's a normal laptop.
they say "it also comes with a GeForce 4070 laptop", so its 2-in-1 and actually not expensive for 2 laptops
Convertible is a type of 2-in-1.
Quote from: heffeque on July 31, 2024, 12:12:57Convertible is a type of 2-in-1.
There's no "tablet" in this to call it 2-in-1 outside of marketing and copypasted articles. Thing with keyboard on the back isn't a tablet. Back in the day we called the likes of it convertible.
You fold it backwards -> Tablet.
A thick and heavy one? Yes. But a tablet non the less.
Quote from: heffeque on July 31, 2024, 12:22:19You fold it backwards -> Tablet.
Let's see what ASUS thinks
QuoteMeet ProArt PX13 – your go-to 13-inch convertible laptop, designed to effortlessly switch between forms
QuoteCrafted for seamless portability, durability, and adaptability, the convertible ProArt PX13 lets your inspiration flow freely wherever you go.
Perfect, so we agree!
Quote from: heffeque on July 31, 2024, 12:22:19You fold it backwards -> Tablet.
No, it's a folded backwards laptop.
Don't be a marketing tool.
Yeah, "several laptops", nothing confirmed or verified at all. I used to have an AMD laptop, it died. It must mean that all AMD-based laptops are dying, right? Like AMD, Apple or Qualcomm are not known to have officially confirmed design flaws at all in their mobile chips...
But when it comes to dealing with major chipset manufacturers whether Intel, AMD or Apple and there's flaws going on with either of their chipsets, there's no such thing as few or several devices having it.
Quote from: Steve1 on August 01, 2024, 17:07:08No, it's a folded backwards laptop.
Don't be a marketing tool.
What's the difference other than thickness/weight.
Why do you seem angry. Are you OK?
Quote from: heffeque on August 01, 2024, 17:39:08What's the difference other than thickness/weight.
Thickness and weight aren't enough difference for you? 14 inch display with duct taped minipc on the back is also a tablet in you books?
Quote from: Steve1 on August 01, 2024, 18:36:48Thickness and weight aren't enough difference for you? 14 inch display with duct taped minipc on the back is also a tablet in you books?
If the mini-PC is thin enough, like a "compute stick", then more or less yes.
Quote from: heffeque on August 01, 2024, 18:43:41If the mini-PC is thin enough, like a "compute stick", then more or less yes.
Yeah so here you basically have miniPC the size bigger than display attached to the back of the display. So even in your terms - as it's much bigger than compute stick - it's not a tablet, even "more or less".
Hi!
would it be please possible to update DPC latencies once LatencyMon start working?
I am especially interested becvause this one is advertised as studio notebook but I am afraid that due to too high latencies it will not be usable for audio production/live plays.
many thanks in advance!
Quote from: Steve1 on August 01, 2024, 18:57:18Yeah so here you basically have miniPC the size bigger than display attached to the back of the display. So even in your terms - as it's much bigger than compute stick - it's not a tablet, even "more or less".
That laptop 2-in-1 isn't that thick. You can continue ranting about it. I'm sure Asus will take note of your rant.
Quote from: heffeque on August 01, 2024, 19:51:08That laptop 2-in-1 isn't that thick. You can continue ranting about it. I'm sure Asus will take note of your rant.
You've already got yourself into logic trap with a minipc attached to the back of a display, but still keep double-downing?
That convertible laptop is not 2-in-1 and it's VERY thick (3 plus times thicker) and hefty compared to actual tablets. There's no "tablet" in it, it's a misleading marketing.
Nice spamming guys 👏 Are your lives really so boring that arguing here is the most exciting thing to do?
Quote from: toortle on August 01, 2024, 21:43:24Nice spamming guys 👏 Are your lives really so boring that arguing here is the most exciting thing to do?
Does this toxic comment make you feel better and more important.
Quote from: toortle on August 01, 2024, 21:43:24Nice spamming guys 👏 Are your lives really so boring that arguing here is the most exciting thing to do?
I'm actually having fun. It's entertaining 😝
Quote from: heffeque on August 01, 2024, 21:55:24I'm actually having fun. It's entertaining 😝
What's your fun in demonstrating you are stupid and stubborn to community.
It was just a bit funny to watch how you got yourself into the minipc+display logic trap and then had to turn on your heels.
Quote from: toortle on August 01, 2024, 21:43:24Nice spamming guys 👏 Are your lives really so boring that arguing here is the most exciting thing to do?
Yes. I don't mind having a boring life. What's it like to shame others, though?
Quote from: Steve1 on August 01, 2024, 21:59:40What's your fun in demonstrating you are stupid and stubborn to community.
It was just a bit funny to watch how you got yourself into the minipc+display logic trap and then had to turn on your heels.
Yes... tablet is just what you decide is a tablet. If it's thicker, it's no longer a tablet, it's a miniPC+display. Great job! 👍
What's the current alternative of this without discrete graphics?
Namely, AMD Ryzen Zen 5,
Don't care about thinness but good thermals, keyboard and trackpad.
Crisp screen with high brightness. No need for 120Hz.
Long battery life.
Works well with Linux.
Quote from: Steve1 on August 01, 2024, 21:39:45Quote from: heffeque on August 01, 2024, 19:51:08That laptop 2-in-1 isn't that thick. You can continue ranting about it. I'm sure Asus will take note of your rant.
You've already got yourself into logic trap with a minipc attached to the back of a display, but still keep double-downing?
That convertible laptop is not 2-in-1 and it's VERY thick (3 plus times thicker) and hefty compared to actual tablets. There's no "tablet" in it, it's a misleading marketing.
I bought my wife a Dell "7506 2in1" (as Dell calls it), and it has the same 'flip the keyboard 180 degrees on its back to turn it into a tablet' [aka Convertible] design. It is also heavy as heck, and not directly comparable to a standard tablet in weight, bulk or battery life, but when I went to buy it, I compared it to many "2 in 1"s, and there were several leading brands that offered similar products at that time. I may not like that overly broad category either, but when enough of the market does agree with it, you kind of need to begrudgingly accept it. Technically, I'm wrong when I pronounce a certain image format "GIF" with a hard 'G', and certain drives as "Scuzzy" drives, but I have enough populace behind me that I can do it and others will understand. Feel free to rail against the fitness of the classification '2 in 1' in these cases, and I may do so as well right along with you, calling it silly and inappropriate, but I won't plug my ears, hum loudly and refuse to acknowledge it, or say that it is false. Marketing is about perception, and does not need to correlate with facts to be accepted or even successful.