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For business laptop:
- weak battery
- no numpad
- marginal thermal margin for no noise operation.

I would not give it 90%. These limitations are serious.

Quote from: LL on August 15, 2023, 05:13:57For business laptop:

- no numpad

Are you a time traveler? Subnotebooks haven't had numpads in years lmao.

Anyway the decision to ship single channel memory as the default config is idiotic and you can tell that it was made by a dumb middle manager who probably needs to justify their position at the company. And also the price for this config is absurd.
I'm always surprised at how much people praise Apple hardware when it is so lacking in features, then I see PC OEMs do stuff like this and I begin to understand why Apple is winning so hard.

So if those are the numbers for the 780m iGPU @ 5600MHz SODIMM, then you guys should test it with the fastest RAM to its max potential. Currently available is the Thinkpad P14s with LPDDR5x-7500. Let's see what those numbers come to.

You can buy 100% silent Macbook air for that kind of money. Passively cooled and faster. This hp is just non sense

battery is bad. The 845 G7 (R7pro-4750U) had more than 15-16 hours standby time. the idle power draw on this thing is almost double @10w.

Also its really annoying that the review didnt just do all tests with duel channel memory. we dont have real picture on perforce.

a business laptop that doesn't have RJ45 at 2.5Gbps today is nonsense.

Glossy screen - a very rotten property on the road and on the street. And while it has an extremely low contrast ratio for a glossy, from them, as in smartphones, people expect 2000: 1+ and a brightness of more than 1000 nits.

Here, as in any other laptops, there must be a universal 4k@120Hz, which switches to fhd@60Hz mode when running on battery (customizable by the owner)

Shameful antique HDMI 2.0 despite Zen4 7x40 all officially have full 2.1 and DP 2.1 with 1/2 full bandwidth (40Gbps).

USB40 are moronically concentrated on one side, although both Intel and AMD specifically make chips so that the ports can be brought out symmetrically on both sides of the laptop.
To make the power connection convenient for both right-handed and left-handed people.

Despite the most energy efficient x86 die in 2023, the laptop howls under the slightest load, i.e. the firmware have very bad fan curve. There is no manual control of the cooler.

The author made a mistake in the description. The Zen4 Phoenix (7x40) has a maximum of 256GB of RAM, unlike the regular Zen4 (7x45). There are simply no modules for 128Gb ddr5 5600 for sale today.

The price is monstrous for such a kit out of the box. At least doubled. RAM at such a monstrous price should be at least 128GB out of the box (64+64), but greedy HP didn't even install the second module at 32Gb, which automatically led to a sharp drop in performance due to the disabled dual-channel mode. A 4TB SSD.

The laptop does not give the impression of a premium and in terms of weight - it is too big for a 14", like the weight of the PSU. All together should fit into 1.5kg, no more.

The final score for this is 83-84%. The normal price is $1100-1200. At this price, if the buyer is satisfied with a screen that is wildly glaring on the street with not very high brightness and not very good contrast (for a glossy one), it is quite possible to take it, although you will immediately have to spend money on a second 32GB module to enable normal dual-channel mode.

As usual, HP employees release something that is simple, to justify their salaries and place in the company. They never had the goal of making a device that squeezes everything out of hardware, even if hardware allows much more...

I have reinstalled Windows. Now my display shows as sRBG. Please help make P3.

P.S. The best Windows laptop for work. But you need to upgrade the RAM.

I don't think you need as much power with a ZEN 4 7040U Phoenix more than enough as the MagicBook X 14 Pro，R7-7840HS of 2023 that Huawei will launch for $800 with Zen 4 7040U + USB 4.0 + HDMI + RDNA 3

There is no USB4!!! This is a lying marketing ploy with a sticker (where are DP2.1 and pci-e?).
One slot for RAM (good thing it's not 8 GB).
Terrible screen.
Only 1 TB of memory...
A huge power supply (did you learn this from Lenovo?)
As usual, the keyboard is not suitable for work.
The red price for this garbage is 900 euros (including tax).
And also a lot of weight (no development). Everything that weighs more than 1.3 kg and up to 2kg feels the same. Everything that weighs more than 2 kg (even 4 kg) feels the same).
1.2 kg is light.
More than 1.2 kg is medium weight, still hard to carry.
More than 2 kg is a huge brick that will kill your back, or carry it in a car.
I want the EU to force manufacturers to work faster and more often.
Do not give 2-3 years for adaptation, because when it is necessary, the manufacturer adapts in 1 month to put an old processor in a new laptop. Or a new processor in an old laptop, and in any case, throw it on the market as garbage.
Therefore, it is necessary to establish certain frameworks, and in a year only those products that meet the conditions will be allowed on the market. Only centralized legal requirements will apply. Instead of shifting the problem to the end consumer, who is unable to fight the manufacturer on his own.

Quote from: Edgram on August 15, 2023, 10:11:28You can buy 100% silent Macbook air for that kind of money. Passively cooled and faster. This hp is just non sense

Of course you can, but Macbooks have many drawbacks lots of people also don't want and find idiotic. Only glossy mirror screens and no options to choose anything else, no upgradeabiltiy whatsoever, terrible flat low-travel keyboard (that's my opinion and a deal breaker itself) because HP keyboards are just much better and Lenovo's used to be as well, extremely high prices for RAM and SSD upgrades plus no or only minimal special offers, for HP and Lenovo etc you can get extremely good offers and the price for the HP EliteBook 845 in this specific configuration will drop in price soon already or you can just buy a much cheaper version with better suited AMD U-series processors that are basically completely quiet under basic tasks, just like the fanless Macbook airs.

I am currently testing the even more compact HP EliteBook 835 G10 with AMD Ryzen Pro 7 7840U, Windows Pro, 32GB LPDDR5 6400MHZ dual channel ram, 1TB 4.0 SSD and a 400 Nits anti-glare screen, 5MP autofocus webcam with infrared for Windows hello, great port selections etc. I never hear the fan unless I play games I couldn't play with a Macbook at all.
A remotely similar configuration of a Macbook air would be far above 2000€ and still doesn't offer the ports, Face-ID similar to Windows Hello, a anti-glare screen option etc.
I paid 1300€ on HP with a special deal code four weeks ago.
You want to say that's a terrible deal too?

Some comments here seem to misunderstand Elitebook's usecase on purpose. Elitebooks are not ZBooks. They are not supposed to be mobile bricks fedora wearing neckbeards use. HP/Campuspoint should not have offered this configuration for a review as it doesnt fit the slim case. The Ryzen 7 7840U / 400 Nits configuration is a better fit considering the EliteBooks's target group. It certainly is one if not the best 14" business Notebook on the market right now.

Quote from: Poster on August 15, 2023, 09:20:40So if those are the numbers for the 780m iGPU @ 5600MHz SODIMM, then you guys should test it with the fastest RAM to its max potential. Currently available is the Thinkpad P14s with LPDDR5x-7500. Let's see what those numbers come to.

Unfortunately, 5600 MHz seems to be the max speed currently supported by SO-DIMM for this cpu.

Hmm... I wonder if I can put an ssd in the WWAN slot! Has anyone tried?

Quote from: SAM486 on August 15, 2023, 10:33:00Also its really annoying that the review didnt just do all tests with duel channel memory. we dont have real picture on perforce.

The reviewer has done tests in both single channel and dual-channel (for the iGPU at least)

Quote from: NikoB on August 15, 2023, 11:42:17a business laptop that doesn't have RJ45 at 2.5Gbps today is nonsense.

Glossy screen - a very rotten property on the road and on the street. And while it has an extremely low contrast ratio for a glossy, from them, as in smartphones, people expect 2000: 1+ and a brightness of more than 1000 nits.

Here, as in any other laptops, there must be a universal 4k@120Hz, which switches to fhd@60Hz mode when running on battery (customizable by the owner)

Shameful antique HDMI 2.0 despite Zen4 7x40 all officially have full 2.1 and DP 2.1 with 1/2 full bandwidth (40Gbps).

USB40 are moronically concentrated on one side, although both Intel and AMD specifically make chips so that the ports can be brought out symmetrically on both sides of the laptop.
To make the power connection convenient for both right-handed and left-handed people.

Despite the most energy efficient x86 die in 2023, the laptop howls under the slightest load, i.e. the firmware have very bad fan curve. There is no manual control of the cooler.

The author made a mistake in the description. The Zen4 Phoenix (7x40) has a maximum of 256GB of RAM, unlike the regular Zen4 (7x45). There are simply no modules for 128Gb ddr5 5600 for sale today.

The price is monstrous for such a kit out of the box. At least doubled. RAM at such a monstrous price should be at least 128GB out of the box (64+64), but greedy HP didn't even install the second module at 32Gb, which automatically led to a sharp drop in performance due to the disabled dual-channel mode.

The laptop does not give the impression of a premium and in terms of weight - it is too big for a 14", like the weight of the PSU. All together should fit into 1.5kg, no more.

The final score for this is 83-84%. The normal price is $1100-1200. At this price, if the buyer is satisfied with a screen that is wildly glaring on the street with not very high brightness and not very good contrast (for a glossy one), it is quite possible to take it, although you will immediately have to spend money on a second 32GB module to enable normal dual-channel mode.

As usual, HP employees release something that is simple, to justify their salaries and place in the company. They never had the goal of making a device that squeezes everything out of hardware, even if hardware allows much more...

I agree. It's like they not even trying. It seems they just slapped AMD APUs in their products and give it the worst numbers in optimisations to be on par or worse than intel. For the so-called top of line AMD product that HP provides (and business model to be exact), these oversights are reprehensible.

Quote from: FJ on August 15, 2023, 15:53:09

Quote from: Poster on August 15, 2023, 09:20:40So if those are the numbers for the 780m iGPU @ 5600MHz SODIMM, then you guys should test it with the fastest RAM to its max potential. Currently available is the Thinkpad P14s with LPDDR5x-7500. Let's see what those numbers come to.

Unfortunately, 5600 MHz seems to be the max speed currently supported by SO-DIMM for this cpu.

Please point me to the direction where 5600MHZ is the max speed supported for ZEN4 APU's.
I am aware for SO-DIMM, but LPDDR5X-7500 is available and supported to my awareness and Lenovo's P14s has this configuration

Quote from: Poster on August 15, 2023, 19:25:13Please point me to the direction where 5600MHZ is the max speed supported for ZEN4 APU's.
I am aware for SO-DIMM, but LPDDR5X-7500 is available and supported...

Well he was talking about DIMM modules and LPDDR is exclusively soldered, there are no DIMMs for it. So people would, as usual, then complain about RAM being soldered despite being much faster and more efficient for battery.

Quote from: Andrey 845 G10 on August 15, 2023, 11:49:13I have reinstalled Windows. Now my display shows as sRBG. Please help make P3.

P.S. The best Windows laptop for work. But you need to upgrade the RAM.

I installed the icc profile from the article. The P3 color space has appeared. Could you also post the original profiles?

There are nice little things in the laptop. For example, there is an ambient light sensor and ambient color temperature (analogous to Apple's True Tone). They work correctly: the eyes do not get tired, you do not want to adjust the brightness. The keyboard backlight turns on automatically when darkening. Fast fingerprint scanner.

type-c supports 4k 60fps 10 bit color without compression.

Thanks for the article)

Quote from: Andrey 845 G10 on August 15, 2023, 20:35:33type-c supports 4k 60fps 10 bit color without compression.

Even the antique 2009 DP1.2 supports this mode, but without the HDR metadata that didn't exist back then.

Unfortunately USB40 support for DP2.0-2.1 is currently fake. Only USB40 V2.0 is capable of transmitting 2xDP2.1 with 1/2 bandwidth of a full version of DP2.1 (or one full DP2.1).

In fact, this laptop should have HDMI 2.1 outputs at 48Gbps and separately 1 miniDP port with 40Gbps, plus 2 USB40 ports on the left and right and of course RJ45 at 2.5-5Gbps. Only in this case can we recognize the port system in it as a reference for a business laptop with reserve for the future.

Unfortunately, AMD released 2 crazy product lines in 2023 - Zen4 and Zen4 Phoenix.

Even though the Zen4 Phoenix is their most advanced chip, to their disgrace it doesn't have pci-e 5.0 and only has 20 pci-e 4.0 lanes (i.e. 10 pci-e 5.0 lanes in total if convert 4.0 in 5.0).

At the same time, the less technologically advanced Zen4 45 series has as many as 28 pci-e 5.0 lanes (or 56 pci-e 4.0 lanes), which, ironically, are practically not fully used in any laptop model in 2023. Question to AMD, why add pci-e 5.0 28 lines to the 45 series, if not a single productive laptop took advantage of this? At the same time, the most high-tech Zen4 Phoenix has the same 28 pci-e 5.0 lines and there are not at least 16 such lines. He has only 10 of them (if you translate the 4.0 lines into the 5.0 version). Why such a strange imbalance of 2.8 times, although the difference in performance is only 2 times?

Zen4 Phoenix is clearly missing another 8-10 free pci-e 4.0 lanes...

Quote from: blud on August 15, 2023, 08:56:38

Quote from: LL on August 15, 2023, 05:13:57For business laptop:

- no numpad

Are you a time traveler? Subnotebooks haven't had numpads in years lmao.

14-inch laptops aren't subnotebooks though.

Quote from: Logoffon on August 16, 2023, 00:25:2914-inch laptops aren't subnotebooks though.

I agree but I would also say that's open to personal interpretation. I mean here is the quote from NBC:

QuoteWe categorize subnotebooks as devices that are no larger than 14-inches in screen size and lighter than 1.5 kg (~3.3 lbs)...

Source: notebookcheck.net/The-Best-Ultra-Portable-Notebooks.98632.0.html

That being said, was there ever a 14" laptop with numpad? 🤨 I'm getting almost exclusively 14" models to get a keyboard without it (and a touchpad being almost centred instead of being pushed to the left side) or some 15.6 - 16" exceptions without one too (X1 Extreme/P1 as I'm mostly a ThinkPad user). Don't need it and if I need it I can buy an external keyboard with it because, again, I have two external keyboards without numpad.

Quote from: Tyler on August 15, 2023, 18:05:38Hmm... I wonder if I can put an ssd in the WWAN slot! Has anyone tried?

Getting a PCIe SSD to work on a B-keyed m.2 slot is a big deal. For starters, you have to find a B+M keyed PCIe SSD, these are old-tech 2-lanes-only SSDs, and nowadays can only be found used from ebay and such. HP doesn't like these SSDs on their motherboards, so they have a lot of issues (appearing-disappearing, discharging battery when system powered off, etc,etc). So, NO. Only the probook G9/G10 and the elitebook 6xx G9/G10 support this config.

It's really a big shame that Managing Editor Andreas Osthoff didn't think that it would be profitable for potential business buyers to know that the 845 G10s with the 7840HS and the 7940HS, both have an artificial cpu max speed cutoff point at 4.5GHz (as seen in the CPU-Z screenshot of the Performance section) IF the laptop's BIOS has been updated to a version other than the original.

The funny thing is that this laptop is seemingly affected by a known glaring issue:

h30434. www3. hp. com/t5/Notebook-Hardware-and-Upgrade-Questions/Ryzen-7-7840HS-is-not-running-at-full-speed/td-p/8731252

www. reddit. com/r/Amd/comments/15fcyfx/hp_sells_laptops_with_a_bugged_bios_which_limits/

That can be seen by this reviewed laptop's GeekBench 5 ST score of 1758: exactly in line with all other bugged laptops.

I guess the editor of this review has never bothered to run HWiNFO64 to verify operating frequencies.

As I wrote earlier - HP deliberately reduces the performance of processors (on average by 15-20%) relative to Lenovo counterparts in order to reduce the overall noise level during normal use. Both in PL1 and PL2 mode.

It is better, of course, that the owner himself chooses the curve for increasing the speed of the cooler (s) depending on temperatures and PL1/PL2. But from above, these values are strictly limited by the selected components according to their characteristics in the processor's power piping. Therefore, it is not an easy task to provide a large range of PL1/PL2 changes in terms of long-term reliability.

In addition, the entire power piping must be covered with massive radiators and the number of heat pipes and the weight and volume of the radiators at the output must be increased. All of this adds weight, as well as noise if the cooler(s) can't handle the given PL1/PL2.

Everyone has to come to terms with the fact that HP makes the G series so that it does not shine with performance, but is quieter than competitors in normal operation and surfing, at least the 4xx series.

Another thing is that the price of laptops of these G series is clearly too high, against the background of general characteristics and the lack of use of more advanced components available on the global market.

But it is clear that these series are most often taken in bulk by medium and large companies, possibly for kickbacks to purchasing managers, so HP is not particularly interested in the correct retail price - it does not care, it knows that these models will not be popular with retail buyers, because are not optimal in many parameters, as in this model.

@NikoB

That's a nice theory except it's not true. For Phoenix laptops HP has simply screwed up something in BIOS.

Check these three screenshots:

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You'll see that at least in my case:

1) The PL1 limit (or its AMD version) for my CPU is 54W.
2) The CPU easily reaches it.
3) The CPU easily reaches 100C temperatures.

This indicates that there's no deliberate clock speeds/temperatures limiting whatsoever.

I put the RAM 5600 (40-40-40-80) in dual-channel mode. It feels smoother and faster. Programs and drivers are installed faster.

From the tests, I checked only Cinebench R23. Both before and after the upgrade: 1500 / 15000 (as in the article). It's always the same with tests: it's hard to detect performance gains from RAM.

The laptop has a friendly design. A screwdriver and a plastic card are enough for disassembly.

Quote from: Dummy user on August 17, 2023, 10:16:021) The PL1 limit (or its AMD version) for my CPU is 54W.
2) The CPU easily reaches it.
3) The CPU easily reaches 100C temperatures.

The reviewer writes that PL1 = 41W, which is 24% less than the nominal TDP specified by AMD (54W).

This is done intentionally - so that the cooling system is quieter and easier to handle in such a small case with processors for gaming platforms.

Normally, the 7940HS should deliver at least 2600-2700 points in a looped CBR15 test at PL1=54-54W. Otherwise, what is the point of this series, if a processor with a higher TDP than the 6900HX and with a more advanced technical process is slower with the same number of cores? It's absurd, who will then buy it, right.

On the other hand, the 6900HX has a TDP of 45W, which means 41W on the 7940HS, already according to AMD's declarations of performance growth (and the general declarations of TSMC about "4nm" vs "5nm"), a priori it should be assumed that it must be faster even at PL1=41W than 6900HX at 45W.

But in fact, we don't see it.

But the 7945HX at 41W is much faster (at least 1.5 times) than the 6900HX at 45W. While the 7945HX uses the outdated 5nm process technology. But at the price of an extremely primitive built-in video chip.

This suggests that AMD irrationally used part of the space for the integrated video chip, because it clearly does not provide a significant breakthrough in performance, at least to the level of the GTX4050.

Moreover, the lack of memory in the HBM2/3 kit right in the SoC package, at least in the form of 1-2GB of cache, leads to disastrous results for the 780M.

@NikoB

I wrote about the well known maximum CPU clock speed issue, you're writing about TDP/TTP/power limits and heavy MT workloads.

Maybe you could pay a modicum of attention to what I said initially. Thanks.

Quote from: Dummy user on August 17, 2023, 10:16:02The PL1 limit (or its AMD version) for my CPU is 54W.

You data contradict the review data.

@NikoB

My data? I messed up with PL1/PL2 naming and 3 watts, correct. I don't want to even remember that, as it has nothing to do with the issue of HP laptops with Phoenix APUs.

I said that the reviewed laptop had troubles reaching the advertised clock speeds as evidenced by the quite low GB5 score and other ST benchmarks.

You've been talking about something completely orthogonal and unrelated: power constraints for MT workloads that I couldn't care less about. It's a laptop, not a liquid nitrogen cooled desktop.

PL2 at 51W and PL1 at 41W already make its CPU throttle in MT workloads as it easily reaches 100C temperatures and the laptop gets quite hot. Running fans a lot faster? Welcome noise. Making a beefier cooling system? Goodbye portability.

If you need a portable workstation, you need something a lot heavier than this thin and light ultralaptop.

@Dummy user, mate just one info to drop here; you are replying to a self-proclaimed expert in every existing field and area in life, no matter of their geographical location. Just keep that in mind 😁 I mean just read the following sentence from another thread, that will tell you everything:

Quote from: NikoB on August 12, 2023, 14:01:09

Quote from: A on August 10, 2023, 12:23:24All you have is talk, yet you didn't even know what overlayfs was

I don't need to know, because The world of Linux is of little interest to me, which does not negate my knowledge and experience...

30 comments with this one. Maybe someday we can all make a Notebookcheck meet up :o)))

Is the ram for the IGPU still limited to only 512 MB like in previous models? This is a bios setting.

Quote from: Neur123 on August 18, 2023, 13:06:52Is the ram for the IGPU still limited to only 512 MB like in previous models? This is a bios setting.

Yes, it is but system RAM can be used dynamically with practically no limit.

Quote from: LL on August 17, 2023, 22:47:2430 comments with this one. Maybe someday we can all make a Notebookcheck meet up :o)))

It's a very decent laptop but not perfect, so people are indeed invested.

I have it and outside of the artificially limited CPU clock speed issue (which is likely to be fixed sooner or later), there's nothing I could really complain about. I'm not a fan of a USB-C port being used as a power connector because it feels somewhat feeble, that's it.

The display is excellent.
The speakers are amazing.
The keyboard is really nice (though I hate that the Insert key is now Fn + F10).

People could find a missing MicroSD card slot and missing LAN a concern but both can be fixed by buying an adapter.

Quote from: Dummy user on August 18, 2023, 15:32:12

Quote from: Neur123 on August 18, 2023, 13:06:52Is the ram for the IGPU still limited to only 512 MB like in previous models? This is a bios setting.

Yes, it is but system RAM can be used dynamically with practically no limit.

I thought the limot of 512 mb means it would only use up to 512 mb of ram from the system for GPU tasks, hence limiting its performance.

See this thread: www . reddit . com /r/AMDLaptops /comments/15rkpin/hp_elitebook_845_g10_review_the_almost_perfect

@Neur123

QuoteThe iGPU VRAM is bios capped to 512MB, and the toggle for this in the AMD radeon settings does not work. So if your applications depend on more dedicated VRAM you can run in to issues, games for example can default to low settings but often do run great on the iGPU.

This was written but a complete and utter moron who has no idea what they are talking about, sorry. Windows 10/11 DWM easily eats up to 500MB of VRAM which leaves you with what? 0MB of VRAM for games? Even games from 2007 can easily eat over a 1GB of VRAM, does this mean no games can run at all?

iGPUs have been using system RAM for over a decade now. This also means you get a nice performance boost in games if you increase your system RAM speed.

Has anyone managed to activate Windows Studio Effects? I don't have such items in my settings.

There is an AMD IPU Device in the Device Manager. Ryzen AI is in the processor (Ryzen 9 7940HS).

There is such a question on the HP website, but there are no answers.

A fun laptop. Some of the updates broke the ambient light and ambient color temperature sensors. It looks like the Windows update center.

But it will be fixed. The more I use the laptop, the more I like it.

About Ryzen AI. As far as I understand, the problem is massive, including among other manufacturers. It's sad. There's not a word about it in the article.

Are you dimensions for it correct?  I get 315.6 x 224 x 19.2 mm from HP site??

Quote from: Dummy user on August 22, 2023, 16:57:07@Neur123

QuoteThe iGPU VRAM is bios capped to 512MB, and the toggle for this in the AMD radeon settings does not work. So if your applications depend on more dedicated VRAM you can run in to issues, games for example can default to low settings but often do run great on the iGPU.

This was written but a complete and utter moron who has no idea what they are talking about, sorry. Windows 10/11 DWM easily eats up to 500MB of VRAM which leaves you with what? 0MB of VRAM for games? Even games from 2007 can easily eat over a 1GB of VRAM, does this mean no games can run at all?

iGPUs have been using system RAM for over a decade now. This also means you get a nice performance boost in games if you increase your system RAM speed.

👍👍👍👍👍👍

Quote from: Dummy user on August 22, 2023, 16:57:07This was written but a complete and utter moron who has no idea what they are talking about, sorry. Windows 10/11 DWM easily eats up to 500MB of VRAM which leaves you with what? 0MB of VRAM for games? Even games from 2007 can easily eat over a 1GB of VRAM, does this mean no games can run at all?

iGPUs have been using system RAM for over a decade now. This also means you get a nice performance boost in games if you increase your system RAM speed.

Hehe, yeah, this is correct. I just booted into Windows (10) and have nothing open but Edge (3 tabs) with HWiNFO logging stuff in the background - my iGPU sits at 511 MB currently.

And while everything else here is true I will just add one more thing - the sole purpose of that option to dedicate more (V)RAM in the BIOS is to run multiple high-DPI monitors because they will sometimes and rarely struggle to run properly if the amount of (V)RAM is set to be too low. For everything else each iGPU (irrelevant if it's Intel's or AMD's) will dynamically take as much as it can and need from RAM.

Quote from: Andrey 845 G10 on August 24, 2023, 10:47:36The more I use the laptop, the more I like it.

What kind of usage do you have? Development? Can it be used for things like VS Code/Studio, Eclipse, etc? I decided to go with M2 from Apple, but Windows is still would be preferred, if possible. Didn't find a decent laptop before - everything is starting to be loud and slow, when starting two-three Eclipse parallel and many other tools. M2 somehow handle it easily

Anyone who got this laptop with the Ryzen Pro 7840HS or 7940HS managed to undervolt it? If not, can you at least set lower TDP with something like UXTU?

I've heard that HP locks down their laptops more, so am not sure if changes like this would be possible.

Quote from: Alex280 on September 01, 2023, 18:59:33Anyone who got this laptop with the Ryzen Pro 7840HS or 7940HS managed to undervolt it? If not, can you at least set lower TDP with something like UXTU?

I've heard that HP locks down their laptops more, so am not sure if changes like this would be possible.

Undervolting is not available but enabling enhanced power saving mode, limiting its TDP (TTP) and operating temperature are all possible which I've done.

Now idling at around 0.7W (CPU ~38C at a 22C ambient temperature), running at up to 75C with fast (boost) workloads up to 30W and sustained 20W TTP. The fan almost never is running. The system is completely silent.

By default the CPU consumes roughly 4W in idle (that's insane), heating up to 100C and consuming 51W for boost workloads and I don't remember how much for the sustained, prolly around 35W. I didn't want any of that. :-)

Quote from: Oleksa on August 15, 2023, 12:52:13There is no USB4!!! This is a lying marketing ploy with a sticker (where are DP2.1 and pci-e?).
One slot for RAM (good thing it's not 8 GB).
Terrible screen.
Only 1 TB of memory...
A huge power supply (did you learn this from Lenovo?)
As usual, the keyboard is not suitable for work.
The red price for this garbage is 900 euros (including tax).
And also a lot of weight (no development). Everything that weighs more than 1.3 kg and up to 2kg feels the same. Everything that weighs more than 2 kg (even 4 kg) feels the same).
1.2 kg is light.
More than 1.2 kg is medium weight, still hard to carry.
More than 2 kg is a huge brick that will kill your back, or carry it in a car.
I want the EU to force manufacturers to work faster and more often.
Do not give 2-3 years for adaptation, because when it is necessary, the manufacturer adapts in 1 month to put an old processor in a new laptop. Or a new processor in an old laptop, and in any case, throw it on the market as garbage.
Therefore, it is necessary to establish certain frameworks, and in a year only those products that meet the conditions will be allowed on the market. Only centralized legal requirements will apply. Instead of shifting the problem to the end consumer, who is unable to fight the manufacturer on his own.

- USB4 is there.
- There are two slots for RAM.
- The display is fantastic, better than my new desktop IPS monitor.
- SSD can be upgraded.
- The power supply is great and doesn't get too hot. What I didn't like is the USB-C port which is used for feeding the laptop. It's quite fragile.
- The keyboard is amazing. Soft touch, barely audible.
- It's around 1.5kg which is nothing if you're an adult with no congenital diseases. Welcome to the early 00s when laptops were around 3kg.

Other things:
 - Metal sturdy body
 - Easily serviceable (you can replace RAM, SSD and WiFi module just by unscrewing 5 bolts)
 - Quiet (except when fully loading more than 4 cores and/or playing games)
 - Decent 5MP webcam (vs. 720p crap most laptop OEMs install even in 2023)
 - Amazing speakers with good bass and tremble (better than anything I've heard in my entire life in this form factor).
 - Lots of preinstalled HP junk. I simply reinstalled Windows 10 from scratch.

Overall I'm quite surprised how well it's made and it works.

All I have to say is whatever he says, I think the opposite! This is a great computer!

Quote from: Dummy user on September 07, 2023, 18:50:50By default the CPU consumes roughly 4W in idle (that's insane), heating up to 100C and consuming 51W for boost workloads and I don't remember how much for the sustained, prolly around 35W. I didn't want any of that. :-)

Which CPU did you have, HS or U series? 4w at idle for the CPU alone is crazy.

Quote from: Dummy user on September 07, 2023, 18:50:50Undervolting is not available but enabling enhanced power saving mode, limiting its TDP (TTP) and operating temperature are all possible which I've done.

Unfortunate that undervolting isn't possible.

Is there a specific setting called enhanced power saving mode? Or were you referring to making those TDP changes? What's TTP? How did you configure those settings?

Quote from: Dummy user on September 07, 2023, 18:50:50Now idling at around 0.7W (CPU ~38C at a 22C ambient temperature), running at up to 75C with fast (boost) workloads up to 30W and sustained 20W TTP. The fan almost never is running. The system is completely silent.

How did you get idle power consumption down so low for the CPU all the way from 4W? I thought that changing the target TDP would only affect power consumption under load and shouldn't affect idle.

What's the total discharge rate when running on battery at idle at lower brightness? Which screen did you get? Real world battery life for your typical use?

Finally, how much performance do you lose in benchmarks by reducing TDP to 30W boost / 20W sustained?

I got mine but have to wait for 2 more weeks for it to arrive.

Quote from: Dummy user on September 07, 2023, 18:50:50Undervolting is not available but enabling enhanced power saving mode, limiting its TDP (TTP) and operating temperature are all possible which I've done.

Now idling at around 0.7W (CPU ~38C at a 22C ambient temperature), running at up to 75C with fast (boost) workloads up to 30W and sustained 20W TTP. The fan almost never is running. The system is completely silent.

By default the CPU consumes roughly 4W in idle (that's insane), heating up to 100C and consuming 51W for boost workloads and I don't remember how much for the sustained, prolly around 35W. I didn't want any of that. :-)

Are you using the 7840HS CPU?
Could you comment in the specific settings you've used top reduce ideal power draw?

Ist there any information in an update that adresses the high idle power draw and  the resulting fan noise?

@Dummy user I have the same question as well. Even when I go to settings under system -> battery and choose best efficiency and battery saver, I can't get the processor consumption down below 4w. Using uxtu to change the short and long-term power limits you mentioned didn't help either.

The overall charge rate at idle is -6w which is actually pretty good, considering the processor takes up so much.

Can anyone else try running `powercfg /energy` and check if PCI Express Active-State Power Management (ASPM) was disabled due to a known incompatibility with the device? Mine has this error, and I'm trying to figure out how to fix it.

Quote from: Alex280 on September 19, 2023, 15:45:45@Dummy user I have the same question as well. Even when I go to settings under system -> battery and choose best efficiency and battery saver, I can't get the processor consumption down below 4w. Using uxtu to change the short and long-term power limits you mentioned didn't help either.

The overall charge rate at idle is -6w which is actually pretty good, considering the processor takes up so much.

Can anyone else try running `powercfg /energy` and check if PCI Express Active-State Power Management (ASPM) was disabled due to a known incompatibility with the device? Mine has this error, and I'm trying to figure out how to fix it.

You yourself, from your own experience, were convinced of the lies of processor manufacturers about better energy efficiency (despite the fact that the processor in this series is already deliberately stifled) - where does all the "energy efficiency" go if the processor consumes more than 4 W when idle, while even CoffeeLake 2018 with 10nm consumed 1.9W in the "gaming laptop" Dell G5 5587. And despite the fact that I did NOT limit its performance in any way - for 5 years it has been working only and exclusively in the "maximum performance" mode. 100% use time. And it consumes 1.9W at rest, and under load it immediately shoots up to 47W without problems, delivering the maximum stable performance for its series in the CBR15.

New processors are faster due to a sharp increase in consumption in PL1/PL2 and partly from improvements in technical processes over 5 years, but why do they consume so much at rest? With all the features that have been added since then and with the "4nm" technical process, instead of "10nm" in Intel 2018?

Isn't this a shame for the x86 camp? Moreover, people write that Intel at "10nm" is able to, through optimization in ThrottleStop/XTU, make it sleep with a much lower consumption level than the latest AMD processors, even the HX series. How so? AMD and laptop manufacturers are clearly doing a poor job of optimizing resting consumption.

What an oxymoron: a business laptop with a glossy screen 🙄

Quote from: jesterly on January 26, 2024, 20:06:42What an oxymoron: a business laptop with a glossy screen 🙄

Oh these "glossy screen" and "3.5 jack" trolls. Buy a matte film.

Quote from: jesterly on January 26, 2024, 20:06:42What an oxymoron: a business laptop with a glossy screen 🙄

The display is semi matte. Perfectly fine to work with. Better don't comment, if you haven't seen it in real.

I had a terrible experience with this laptop. My touchpad had ghost touch and after multiple calls with the HP support, where they suggested driver updates, they agreed to change my touchpad, which resolved the issue. After some time, some keystrokes sometimes did not work, similar to what has been raised by other users online.

Furthermore, the laptop frequently got too hot after some time.

Cannot recommend this laptop at all, and this will be my last HP for the foreseeable future.