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Title: BYD and NIO face tariffs as Europe mandates durable EV batteries and range monitoring
Post by: Redaktion on June 15, 2023, 16:41:45
While scoffing at Tesla Model Y-style structural battery packs that can't be easily repaired or replaced, the EU just ratified the set of EURO 7 emissions standard rules that will demand durable, sustainable, and longer-life EV batteries. Europe may also investigate the Chinese EV brand influx for dumping and unfair competition.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/BYD-and-NIO-face-tariffs-as-Europe-mandates-durable-EV-batteries-and-range-monitoring.725974.0.html
Title: Re: BYD and NIO face tariffs as Europe mandates durable EV batteries and range monitoring
Post by: Martin Winlow on June 16, 2023, 10:04:41
"Vehicles with traction batteries, including plugin hybrids and battery electric vehicles, produce lower exhaust emissions but much higher non-exhaust emissions when their entire value chain is taken into account."  Where do they get this clap-trap from?  Do they include in 'the value chain' all energy, waste and environmental damage caused all the way back to exploring for, drilling for and transporting the crude oil the fuels used by ICEVs?  Or 'the value chain' cost to victims of respiratory diseases caused by burning fossil fuels in an urban environment? 

What value do they give the EV battery pack that evidence thus far suggests could last for the equivalent of billions of driving miles (albeit with significantly reduced capacity) that can be (and are) highly successfully repurposed for stationary energy storage after the rest of the EV is scraped, a burgeoning and potentially even bigger market for batteries than EVs?

The list goes on and on...  This is one very good reason I voted for Brexit.  Those who run the EU are utterly corrupt.
Title: Re: BYD and NIO face tariffs as Europe mandates durable EV batteries and range monitoring
Post by: OneMinus on June 16, 2023, 13:26:04
Martin Winlow is absolutely correct
Title: Re: BYD and NIO face tariffs as Europe mandates durable EV batteries and range monitoring
Post by: OneMinus on June 16, 2023, 13:27:32
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Title: Re: BYD and NIO face tariffs as Europe mandates durable EV batteries and range monitoring
Post by: anan on June 16, 2023, 16:43:30
QuoteWhat value do they give the EV battery pack that evidence thus far suggests could last for the equivalent of billions of driving miles (albeit with significantly reduced capacity) that can be (and are) highly successfully repurposed for stationary energy storage after the rest of the EV is scraped, a burgeoning and potentially even bigger market for batteries than EVs?
The list goes on and on...  This is one very good reason I voted for Brexit.  Those who run the EU are utterly corrupt.
How can you misunderstand the proposed law this much? What they are suggesting is that car manufacturers track and measure the life expectancy of their car batteries. Because it is absolutely possible to mess it up. Early Leafs and Priuses did not have battery cooling and those batteries died prematurely. A whole industry cropped up in solving the problem of that bad design choice. I am all in if they mandate that the battery must retain say 80% capacity after 5 years/100k. Teslas hit that mark easily but this is not a given with Chinese manufacturers.
Laptop batteries used to retain 80% battery capacity after just one year. 50% after two years and dead after 3. This was because no one cared about sustainability and everyone wanted to sell replacement batteries. This sucked a lot. We don't need that to happen with cars. No one will try to reuse car batteries if they only have 50% capacity since it will not be worth the effort.