I'll generally agree on the points made here. Namely:

- Nobody really wants or needs "AI" in their notebook PC's
- Actual possibly exciting features such as battery life & Gaming abilities are not marketed
- The newer products are competing with the very functional older ones

Without highlighting what the newer models CAN DO over the older less expensive models the older models appear more attractive.

While thin & light almost always commands a premium cost over larger heftier models sadly it might be some time before the better APU's 'trickle down' into economically affordable models.

Nobody in the real world calls any of these processors by their micro architecture code names. Whats easier: (Remembering Nehalem then Sandy Bridge then Ivy Bridge then Haswell then Broadwell then Skylake sidestep to Skylake-X lateral to Kaby Lake then Coffee Lake backstep to Amber Lake then Whiskey Lake fit in a Kaby Lake-X hop forward to Comet Lake, acknowledge Cannon Lake and Cooper Lake, consider Ice Lake Lakefield and Ice Lake-SP, backstep to Rocket Lake and then jump to Tiger Lake (are we in OSX code nanes now?) look forward to Alder Lake and now we got Rapids??? Okay... Sapphire Rapids to whoo Raptor Lake and then , crap, more rapids, Emerald Rapids, get washed up on shore of Jasper Lake or us it Meteor Lake? Or is it Arrow Lake?  Now theres woods?  We are lost in Sierra Forrest...). So all that. 

Or numbers:
(1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14th gen / Series 100,200)

Unless your name is Rand McNally and you hand out maps, stay away from the stupid landmark names of the chip company thats going the way of Sears and Roebuck.

Quote from: bernstein on April 25, 2025, 14:26:13Well, it's nigh impossible to find good lunar lake hardware at reasonable prices. Take for example the new surface pro 11 with lunar lake? Microsoft simply doesn't have any desire to sell that at a reasonable price.

Part of the reason might be that Lunar Lake is actually an excellent chip, so it might be "too good" to put at lower price brackets (and I'm sure Lunar Lake is quite a bit more expensive than Raptor Lake too, so that doesn't help either).

Lunar Lake is, I'd say, the only current CPU that Intel has that surpasses AMD's equivalent CPU, so manufacturers want to milk that CPU by putting a higher price tag than usual.

Well, it's nigh impossible to find good lunar lake hardware at reasonable prices. Take for example the new surface pro 11 with lunar lake? Microsoft simply doesn't have any desire to sell that at a reasonable price and only just released it at ridiculous prices. Apart from that single device there exist ZERO other tablet devices with the chip in it. HP as well has decided to limit lunar lake to their HP EliteBook X range, priced well above $2000. Similarly LG & Samsung only just released lunar lake Hardware.