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Posted by GeorgeS
 - February 13, 2025, 19:47:29
Quote from: S on February 13, 2025, 11:43:17For sure, WoA has 0 chance. They've had 10 years now and a multi trillion dollar company behind them. It's clear where their motives lie.

However, considering just how unpopular windows is getting to the general public, I don't think this is the end of arm for desktop.

It could still potentially pave the way / give rise for Arm taking off on desktop Linux, given Microsoft's continued fumbling.

Sadly, as long as there are industry segments compiling their applications ONLY for Windows API's those segments will be stuck with Microsoft and Windows.

Along the same lines, as long as there are industry segments compiling their applications ONLY for x86 those segments will be stuck with Intel & AMD.

Frankly, the average consumer really could not care less WHAT underlying CPU or even Operating system a device has, as long as it is USEFUL for their use case.
Posted by S
 - February 13, 2025, 11:43:17
For sure, WoA has 0 chance. They've had 10 years now and a multi trillion dollar company behind them. It's clear where their motives lie.

However, considering just how unpopular windows is getting to the general public, I don't think this is the end of arm for desktop.

It could still potentially pave the way / give rise for Arm taking off on desktop Linux, given Microsoft's continued fumbling.

Posted by A
 - February 13, 2025, 03:28:02
Quote from: neverUStech on January 29, 2025, 20:12:40tell me when did the US compensate China for inventing paper, writing, gunpowder, and the compass, or printing? and please remember literally all of those things were precursors to modern technology and innovations in computing or helped create their respective successors.

Wait, what? You are aware that just cause someone invents something doesn't mean they own it till the ends of time. Everything has a stature of limitation. And none of what you mentioned was invented by China. While some of it was invented by someone who happened to be in China at the time, it has nothing to do with modern country of China. For all we know, even the distant relatives of the people who invented it don't exist today.

In case of paper, it was for example invented in Egypt. Just a process that is more like modern paper was made in Han empire, and he was an Eunuch. So no one alive today is even related to him.


Quote from: LOL on February 02, 2025, 16:35:47If you want proper ARM, get a Mac or Macbook.

x86 will go the way of the dinosaur, everything will be emulated, while Windows have to make do with what Qualcomm or Microsoft/Samsung offers.

Macs are better for work anyway. Keep a Windows x86 machine for gaming if that's what you want.

I found Macs unusable for work.

x86 isn't going anywhere soon. If anything, ARM is more likely to disappear before x86 does. Apple and Qualcomm just user ARM instructions and use their own designs. The rest are mostly budget vendors.

There is now interest in RISC-V to bypass ARM so that they don't have to deal with ARM's royalty which is only getting more expensive.
Posted by opckieran
 - February 10, 2025, 00:56:54
Quote from: indy on January 30, 2025, 17:29:21
Quote from: opckieran on January 30, 2025, 16:36:12
Quote from: neverUStech on January 29, 2025, 20:12:40tell me when did the US compensate China for inventing paper, writing, gunpowder, and the compass, or printing? and please remember literally all of those things were precursors to modern technology and innovations in computing or helped create their respective successors.

Those patents have long expired ;) I'm sure China was well-compensated for their technological contributions throughout human history through increased trade. (And if you have to have to go back hundreds or thousands of years, I don't have to explain how paper-thin that makes your argument.) It's no excuse for China to start ripping off other countries today.

Copying Is Not Theft


You just undermined your own prior premise. Congrats.
Posted by LOL
 - February 02, 2025, 16:37:24
Quote from: Worgarthe on January 31, 2025, 00:51:47
Quote from: Value arb on January 29, 2025, 17:41:10
Quote from: Hunter2020 on January 29, 2025, 03:54:49No thanks.  I'm fed up with Windows post version 8.1.  I have 7 new Windows 7/8.1 capable/era mini-PCs stored up in my closet to last the "tech outage" until Huawei or Xiaomi unveils custom PC OS running on self made non-Intel non-Qualcomms chipsets.  If China's Deepseek has proven superior to ChatGPT in terms of resource usage, so too will the PC OSes from Xiaomi and Huawei!

Your opinion on the DeepSeek matter really depends on what kind of country you think China is. Nothing more needs to be said.

P.S: Enjoy the tariffs, sanctions and more fun coming soon.

Microsoft caught DeepSeek downloading massive amounts of data from OpenAIs dev API, they aren't superior, they stole it.
Mmm, but when OpenAI is blatantly stealing then it's all good, right? That's pRoGrEsS. When someone steals from them - oh the evil thieves 😱

😅😅
Posted by LOL
 - February 02, 2025, 16:35:47
If you want proper ARM, get a Mac or Macbook.

x86 will go the way of the dinosaur, everything will be emulated, while Windows have to make do with what Qualcomm or Microsoft/Samsung offers.

Macs are better for work anyway. Keep a Windows x86 machine for gaming if that's what you want.
Posted by Worgarthe
 - January 31, 2025, 00:51:47
Quote from: Value arb on January 29, 2025, 17:41:10
Quote from: Hunter2020 on January 29, 2025, 03:54:49No thanks.  I'm fed up with Windows post version 8.1.  I have 7 new Windows 7/8.1 capable/era mini-PCs stored up in my closet to last the "tech outage" until Huawei or Xiaomi unveils custom PC OS running on self made non-Intel non-Qualcomms chipsets.  If China's Deepseek has proven superior to ChatGPT in terms of resource usage, so too will the PC OSes from Xiaomi and Huawei!

Microsoft caught DeepSeek downloading massive amounts of data from OpenAIs dev API, they aren't superior, they stole it.
Mmm, but when OpenAI is blatantly stealing then it's all good, right? That's pRoGrEsS. When someone steals from them - oh the evil thieves 😱

😅😅
Posted by Benji
 - January 31, 2025, 00:48:33
Quote from: Value arb on January 29, 2025, 17:41:10Microsoft caught DeepSeek downloading massive amounts of data from OpenAIs dev API, they aren't superior, they stole it.
Who cares? First, no statement from the American government or companies adjacent to them can be trusted, as """current events""" over the past few years have shown us time and time again. Second, it's well known the chinese think it's normal to lie, steal and cheat to get ahead. Of course they would have stolen it if they could. So even if it's true, the only thing that matters to me is the final result for the end user. A cheaper, faster, better and OPEN model is objectively better for the end user. All the "tech corporations" and their cronies in the US government and 3 letter agencies can... [this statement would likely be too crass for the forum rules, so it will be omitted]
Posted by indy
 - January 30, 2025, 17:29:21
Quote from: opckieran on January 30, 2025, 16:36:12
Quote from: neverUStech on January 29, 2025, 20:12:40tell me when did the US compensate China for inventing paper, writing, gunpowder, and the compass, or printing? and please remember literally all of those things were precursors to modern technology and innovations in computing or helped create their respective successors.

Those patents have long expired ;) I'm sure China was well-compensated for their technological contributions throughout human history through increased trade. (And if you have to have to go back hundreds or thousands of years, I don't have to explain how paper-thin that makes your argument.) It's no excuse for China to start ripping off other countries today.

Copying Is Not Theft
Posted by opckieran
 - January 30, 2025, 16:36:12
Quote from: neverUStech on January 29, 2025, 20:12:40tell me when did the US compensate China for inventing paper, writing, gunpowder, and the compass, or printing? and please remember literally all of those things were precursors to modern technology and innovations in computing or helped create their respective successors.

Those patents have long expired ;) I'm sure China was well-compensated for their technological contributions throughout human history through increased trade. (And if you have to have to go back hundreds or thousands of years, I don't have to explain how paper-thin that makes your argument.) It's no excuse for China to start ripping off other countries today.
Posted by indy
 - January 29, 2025, 21:52:50
A laptop that gets "x" hours of uptime today, will likely get a significant fewer amount of hours over the laptop's lifetime.

Having that buffer is pretty important for people that work in an environment where they don't necessarily want to be thinking about plugging in at all (like a trial attorney using laptop for 12+hours a day and juggling numerous things, as for an example I can attest to personally.)
Posted by indy
 - January 29, 2025, 21:43:29
QuoteA Chinese corporation stealing technology from a Western Country? This is completely unprecedented!

As if any bordered entity is any more trustworthy than another?
Posted by GeorgeS
 - January 29, 2025, 20:40:59
Quote from: The Werewolf on January 29, 2025, 02:18:11Are there people who need 24hr battery life in a laptop the thickness of a sheet of paper that weighs about the same as a sheet of paper? I'm sure they exist, but I'm also sure that's pretty rare.

Depending on the Corporation & Worker, there are folks that spend their entire work-day going from one business meeting after another. Laptop/notebook under one arm and beverage container in tow.

Sometimes juggling conference rooms on the same floor, building (multiple floors) or campus. :)

While in these meetings they might be 'taking notes' however often times they will be running & accessing industry specific & specialized applications to access information & models which in turn might be displayed on the conference rooms screens.

As mentioned a 'good sleep' function can be highly effective.

It is rather debatable and Corporation dependent if workers are outfitted with only a laptop (with some sort of docking solution at the 'cube' (if they actually have one)) or have both a desktop 'workstation' and a laptop to compliment it.

Personally my last few jobs I was outfitted with both. A desktop workstation in my assigned 'cube' as well as a laptop to take to meetings and work from home (or elsewhere) with.

Posted by neverUStech
 - January 29, 2025, 20:12:40
Quote from: opckieran on January 29, 2025, 18:31:41
Quote from: Value arb on January 29, 2025, 17:41:10
Quote from: Hunter2020 on January 29, 2025, 03:54:49No thanks.  I'm fed up with Windows post version 8.1.  I have 7 new Windows 7/8.1 capable/era mini-PCs stored up in my closet to last the "tech outage" until Huawei or Xiaomi unveils custom PC OS running on self made non-Intel non-Qualcomms chipsets.  If China's Deepseek has proven superior to ChatGPT in terms of resource usage, so too will the PC OSes from Xiaomi and Huawei!

Microsoft caught DeepSeek downloading massive amounts of data from OpenAIs dev API, they aren't superior, they stole it.


A Chinese corporation stealing technology from a Western Country? This is completely unprecedented!
tell me when did the US compensate China for inventing paper, writing, gunpowder, and the compass, or printing? and please remember literally all of those things were precursors to modern technology and innovations in computing or helped create their respective successors.
Posted by neverUStech
 - January 29, 2025, 20:09:06
Quote from: Value arb on January 29, 2025, 17:41:10
Quote from: Hunter2020 on January 29, 2025, 03:54:49No thanks.  I'm fed up with Windows post version 8.1.  I have 7 new Windows 7/8.1 capable/era mini-PCs stored up in my closet to last the "tech outage" until Huawei or Xiaomi unveils custom PC OS running on self made non-Intel non-Qualcomms chipsets.  If China's Deepseek has proven superior to ChatGPT in terms of resource usage, so too will the PC OSes from Xiaomi and Huawei!

Microsoft caught DeepSeek downloading massive amounts of data from OpenAIs dev API, they aren't superior, they stole it.
this isn't true at all. I wouldn't believe the US-military loving and data privacy snake Microsoft as far as I could throw them. you do realize every US tech company is an arm of the USDoD and US State Department right?