Quote from: Andrew4567 on January 28, 2025, 22:35:38Intel company is always the best. I always buy only Intel based laptops and none of them died unlike AMD based ones that died a lot, especially during Athlon 64 and Turion era.

I've had both fail. Issue is rarely in the processors but the motherboards.

Quote from: toto1234 on January 29, 2025, 08:41:39Upgradable laptops are useless at this point, it should have been done 20 years ago.
Now it's just virtue signaling.

They aren't useless, they are needed more than ever.

QuoteYoutuber Dave2D has made a great video analysing Framework laptop and their overall cost over several years.

In the end, upgrading your framework laptop costs more than buying a brand new one after the same period of usage.
And, with the framework, you get new internals, but are stuck with X years old chassis, which can be pretty worn out.

Part of the reason why it is expensive is because framework which is a small company has to shoulder the R&D costs. Where as most small manufacturers usually just use "reference designs" or modify a "barebone" to be competitive.

If you have mass production of reusable parts, costs would be much less as seen in desktops.

The case is likely the last thing that would wear other than maybe some scratches unless your drop your laptop. And even then, you can just replace the parts needed instead of the whole thing. Part of what makes many modern cases fall apart is use of glue instead of screws, when the heat melts the glue stuff fall out.

There is also the "hand me down" aspect. Like some in my family use laptops only to surf the internet, so when I am done with my computer, I give it to them.

A lot of the benefit is also more than just the sum of swapping components but having stuff that has become niche return again. Things like 3.5mm ports or touchpad physical buttons or TrackPoint or having mechanical keyboard with good travel distance and full sized arrow keys.

You can also eliminate dumb decisions that ruin laptops like useless touchbars

Quote from: toto1234 on January 29, 2025, 08:41:39Upgradable laptops are useless at this point, it should have been done 20 years ago.
Now it's just virtue signaling.


Youtuber Dave2D has made a great video analysing Framework laptop and their overall cost over several years.

In the end, upgrading your framework laptop costs more than buying a brand new one after the same period of usage.
And, with the framework, you get new internals, but are stuck with X years old chassis, which can be pretty worn out.


"consumers could save a lot of money and be certain that their beautiful OLED laptop won't be stuck with an obsolete chipset in just three years time"

In reality, in 3 years, their OLED screen will not be so beautiful, after being used at high brigthness for extensive period of time.
OLED on TV are great, on laptop it's just stupid

so much to unpack here lol. how is right to repair and modularity/repairability "virtue signaling"? would you call it virtue signaling that people can change their car battery or replace RAM modules on gaming laptops? maybe google a word and study its definition before using it. I bet you call everything "woke" too lmao.

also the oled comment is very uninformed and highly out of date. maybe in 2014 you'd be half right but oled issues have all nearly been ironed out and people who use laptops with oled are no different than those that use smartphones with the same tech, which is virtually everyone on earth at this point. laptops are NEVER set 100% of the time to its highest brightness setting in the same vein that smartphones aren't either day to day. lots of data shows people typically have it set around 50%, some more some less, and only periodically turn it higher when moving to sunnier places but aren't sitting out in direct sunlight facing the screen for 8+ hours at a time. no one is working outside in the middle of summer with cancer laptop and zero shade and turning the brightness up to 100 for 8+ hours. it's just not happening so no, oled is a non issue for laptop usage

Upgradable laptops are useless at this point, it should have been done 20 years ago.
Now it's just virtue signaling.


Youtuber Dave2D has made a great video analysing Framework laptop and their overall cost over several years.

In the end, upgrading your framework laptop costs more than buying a brand new one after the same period of usage.
And, with the framework, you get new internals, but are stuck with X years old chassis, which can be pretty worn out.


"consumers could save a lot of money and be certain that their beautiful OLED laptop won't be stuck with an obsolete chipset in just three years time"

In reality, in 3 years, their OLED screen will not be so beautiful, after being used at high brigthness for extensive period of time.
OLED on TV are great, on laptop it's just stupid

Quote from: Rasec on January 28, 2025, 22:56:21FK Intel! When they had absolute monopoly of laptop CPU they moved away from PGA to save a few cents on motherboards and destroy 2nd hand CPU laptop market forcing us to buy a new laptop to upgrade a cpu. Hypocrits, hope they now drown in their own stupidity!

Yeah, true, unlike AMD who still offers upgradable laptop CPUs, to this day.

FK Intel! When they had absolute monopoly of laptop CPU they moved away from PGA to save a few cents on motherboards and destroy 2nd hand CPU laptop market forcing us to buy a new laptop to upgrade a cpu. Hypocrits, hope they now drown in their own stupidity!

Intel company is always the best. I always buy only Intel based laptops and none of them died unlike AMD based ones that died a lot, especially during Athlon 64 and Turion era.