Quote from: Lychee Juice on Yesterday at 21:50:38that was the case 20 years ago, laptops have always been inferior to proper PCs, however now with good GPU's and lunar lake style battery life I'm considering one again for the first time in a long time. However the original point that trackpoints are for a "tiny" percentage of people, most people dont use it as its not as flexible as trackpads or the more useful proper mouse

the last time i used the trackpoint was in the early 90s and just because im used to seeing it on thinkpads doesnt mean anyone cares about it. the ONLY people that will complain about it are internet warriors the same old men types that complain about little girls movies like snow white. they complain for the sake of complaining, trying to sound relevant.

look at you being all dramatic, claiming the reason you are giving up on laptops is because they are thinking of deleting the trackpoint. mental

Trackpoint use is for people to type on the keyboard without moving, or anyone who uses a glove. While the amount of people may be tiny, it makes up a pretty good chunk of people who actually use their laptop as a laptop. (majority just use laptops as mobile desktops)


It also doesn't help that trackpads have gotten worse over the last decade for any use that isn't casual.



I'm giving up on laptops not because of trackpoint but because trackpads have become bad and so has keyboards with tiny arrow keys, missing important keys and poor key travel. It also doesn't help that batteries aren't easily removable anymore so I can't hotswap. Soldered components are also a big tick in my book.


My complaints aren't about laptops without trackpoints existing, my complaint is that thinkpads were made to cater to that certain niche who wanted trackpoints, proper trackpads, repairable, and decent keyboards. When you buy a thinkpad, it becomes synonymous with these things.

If they make all laptops the same, then what is the point of having dozens of brands under 1 manufacturer?

They can just kill the thinkpad brand as it serves no purpose but betraying customer trust of what the brand represents.

All I am asking for is options for people to exist who want them, not hundreds of laptops from same brand all being the same with a different sticker.

Quote from: A on Yesterday at 02:21:37It's gotten so bad, I am even considering giving up on laptops altogether. Since laptops have become mostly unusable as portable devices, and most uses are as a mobile desktop. Then a MiniPC+14 inch tablet that can be used as a screen+ folding keyboard and bluetooth mouse is much cheaper and more usable on the go. IF I need a laptop for on the go, just get a keyboard/trackpad cover for the tablet.

that was the case 20 years ago, laptops have always been inferior to proper PCs, however now with good GPU's and lunar lake style battery life I'm considering one again for the first time in a long time. However the original point that trackpoints are for a "tiny" percentage of people, most people dont use it as its not as flexible as trackpads or the more useful proper mouse

the last time i used the trackpoint was in the early 90s and just because im used to seeing it on thinkpads doesnt mean anyone cares about it. the ONLY people that will complain about it are internet warriors the same old men types that complain about little girls movies like snow white. they complain for the sake of complaining, trying to sound relevant.

look at you being all dramatic, claiming the reason you are giving up on laptops is because they are thinking of deleting the trackpoint. mental

I bought a 2012-ish X220 about five years ago. Because I prefer a mouse and I'm not especially dexterous, I turned off the TrackPoint and the touch pad in BIOS.
No eraser head isn't a loss to me, but Apple design on a ThinkPad is a deal breaker. I have always preferred the rectilinear, slab design of the ThinkPads.
Speaking of mouse and touch pad, my favorite feature of my 2015 Dell XPS 13 is if you want to use a mouse, as soon as you insert the USB receiver, the pad is automatically bypassed.

I'm done with Lenovo. When my ThinkPad eventually dies, I think I'm moving to a tower build. Laptops have been trending toward disposable electronics for quite some time thanks in large part to Apple and I don't know if I can justify their cost anymore when I can get better specs, upgradeablilty, etc out of a PC build and for portability I can use a tablet.

Most people, presumably Lenovo too, do not know the ergonomic advantage of Trackpoint. It is for people you type fast/a lot since THEY DO NOT NEED TO REMOVE THEIR HANDS FROM THE OPTIMUM BLIND-TYPING POSITION while they can control the mouse arrow at the same time. No other human interaction device can do that at this point.

This is a bad move not for the "Thinkpad funs" but for Lenovo itself since it removes the advantage from the thinkpads and converts them to another crammed ergonomics ultrabook as if we don't already have shitloads of them!

No track point ? Not client.
since Lenovo took over the ThinkPad range, they are losing a little more of the essence of this product, the mentality that made IBM successful, with each new series.

Maybe Apple has already bought Lenovo?
If so, they should change the name to LeNoNo.

Quote from: Lychee Juice on Yesterday at 01:06:15getting tired of boomers whining about everything

You say this while you whine and moan about people's opinions.  Good showing.

Quotetrackpoint is not a feature its a gimmick

Assuming you say this having never used the trackpoint or put in the effort to see if it actually is more useful than the trackpad?  The trackpoint and physical climate knobs in cars are both useless gimmicks in your opinion, I'd bet.

Quotesooner they get rid of it the better

Why?  Is the trackpoint in your way somehow?  Or is it your obvious irrational hate for everything around you?

Quotewe want haptic trackpads and good bluetooth for external mice

Both things that most laptops, including Thinkpads, currently have?  And you call the "boomers" the whiners?

Quotemost boomers don't even own thinkpads

So who are you yelling at exactly?  Do you even know what a "boomer" is?  Do you know that the youngest one would have been 28 when the first thinkpad was released?  You clearly have no clue about how the generation would have used technology available to them.

It's very rich for you to moan about people "complaining about everything" as clearly you're a very miserable troll.

Agreed with others, if they remove the trackpoint, why wouldn't I just go get a Macbook, which is the model all the PC laptops are copying anyway?  I'll finally have a great display and battery life, both things Thinkpads have  lacked for decades.

Great business move: remove the one useful feature that differentiates you from competition.

Quote from: Lychee Juice on Yesterday at 01:06:15getting tired of boomers whining about everything, trackpoint is not a feature its a gimmick and sooner they get rid of it the better, we want haptic trackpads and good bluetooth for external mice.

Nobody is asking for every laptop to have a trackpoint. All that is being asked is that Thinkpad brand have it. Lenovo has dozens of other brands without one.

It has gotten so bad, you can't find a single model with trackpad buttons on the bottom anymore. Just one!

Bluetooth mice are used precisely because of how bad trackpads have become for anything other than casual use.

Quoteget over it and stop being so predictable with your daily complaining, most boomers dont even own thinkpads they own those macbooks but it doesnt stop these inconsequential internet warriors from irritating everyone anyway

Of course, because when manufacturers backstab their loyal customers and try to just be macbook knockoffs, then why would anyone bother with imitations and just get the original?

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It's gotten so bad, I am even considering giving up on laptops altogether. Since laptops have become mostly unusable as portable devices, and most uses are as a mobile desktop. Then a MiniPC+14 inch tablet that can be used as a screen+ folding keyboard and bluetooth mouse is much cheaper and more usable on the go. IF I need a laptop for on the go, just get a keyboard/trackpad cover for the tablet.

The only good idea here is the larger function keys, stolen from Apple naturally because Lenovo could never come up with something so sensible on their own. But ofc Lenovo will never put this on a normal thinkpad because it would make too much sense. This feature has to be exclusive to this POS model.

Brilliant innovation by Lenovo.
- arrow keys are squished, people have been begging for impossible to hit arrow keys for years!
- Dig the jagged plastic silvery look with the notch - very unique, very classy.
- Naturally got rid of the TrackPoint too
- Keyboard is not replaceable. This is great for dirty or corporate environments, so when the keyboard gunks up you can just throw the laptop in the trash and not worry about trying to fix it. Very convenient!

This is basically perfect, I only hope they reduce the key travel down to Apple levels to completely eliminate any lingering temptation to buy this steaming POS.

Quote from: Toortle on December 25, 2024, 15:24:15Experimental model, such as the Z13 & Z16 were, not a whole new lineup to follow that design language. White-silver ThinkPad as a main colour? Lol, sure.

Merry Christmas 🎁

i want exactly this, a silver lenovo slim 7i aura with more grunt and a proper gpu..lighter if possible too

getting tired of boomers whining about everything, trackpoint is not a feature its a gimmick and sooner they get rid of it the better, we want haptic trackpads and good bluetooth for external mice. get over it and stop being so predictable with your daily complaining, most boomers dont even own thinkpads they own those macbooks but it doesnt stop these inconsequential internet warriors from irritating everyone anyway

Its Heresy I tells ya!