Quote from: Hotz on December 16, 2024, 19:29:57

Quote from: Hotz on December 16, 2024, 19:16:23it should be possible to deduct the specs simply by the number

or in other words: CPUs with the same number should always have the exact same specs, except maybe have lower clocks on laptops (because of heat), but otherwise identical. That is how it should be.

I agree with you. However though, laptop CPUs are always weaker than desktop CPUs, even if they are a same desktop CPU, so that's not always possible to achieve if that's what you mean by specs, as specs on paper are just that - on paper - but performance that you get out of those specs is what it matters. Cooling and overall thermal solution plays a major role there.

With Intel the HX CPUs are desktop versions packed in a laptop. My i7 14700HX is literally an i7 14700 desktop version, with a bit weaker specs and lower TDP to fit in a laptop, that also shows in performance where my laptop CPU is about 12-13% overall weaker/slower than that same CPU in its full desktop variant.

And the other quoted part, about simplicity... I'm dead-sure that they are making it intentionally to be confusing. No one can be that dumb to see those names and think "Oh yeah, this is so simple, convenient and easy to understand for regular customers, those are good names!" - and then that's coming from three different companies!! (Intel, AMD, Qualcomm)

It's like they are competing with each other; "You have a cryptic confusing name? Hold my beer, I'll show you now how confusing it can be!" - lets their cat to walk all over the keyboard to choose the name. No idea, really, it doesn't make sense why are they doing that. At least it's not yet like manufacturers with monitors or TVs (LG 34LJKFU5535z384756-Mijfufufz4732875863475-DHRFHGHUFGJJFHf...)

Quote from: Hotz on December 16, 2024, 19:16:23it should be possible to deduct the specs simply by the number

or in other words: CPUs with the same number should always have the exact same specs, except maybe have lower clocks on laptops (because of heat), but otherwise identical. That is how it should be.

Quote from: Worgarthe on December 16, 2024, 16:03:15The names were retarded before and they still are, but the important thing "Ultra"... has more clarity now.

Yeah, at least we know that only the "Ultra" is Arrow Lake.


The things which I find most confusing however, is the inconsistency between the numbers between, i.e.:


Core Ultra 265 on desktop -> Core Ultra 265HX on laptop (same specs, everything fine)

Core Ultra 255 on desktop DOESN'T exist -> but Core Ultra 255HX on laptop exists ???

Core Ultra 245 on desktop with 4 GPU cores -> Core Ultra 245HX on laptop with only 3 GPU cores ???


And I've not even mentioned the many differences between the laptop 255H and laptop 255HX, which have both different amount of CPU cores and GPU cores...


This is absolutely bonkers. If the naming was reasonable, it should be possible to deduct the specs simply by the number. But nope.... why make it simple?

Quote from: Worgarthe on December 16, 2024, 16:03:15Apple with M4, M4 Pro, M4 Max (and the amount of cores listed to them). Can't be simpler.

I would find Apple 40, 41, 42 or 43 simpler with each having only one variation on core numbers than Apple M4, M4 Pro, M4 Max or M4 Ultra with variation on core numbers. Besides, Macbook Pro M4 Pro is confusing.

I mean, if you look at all of them then yeah, it's confusing. But if you look at what you want, say you need a workstation-class laptop, you won't really look at Ultra 200U or 200H, but at Ultra 200H instead so your choice there is just five different CPUs and they are numerically named pretty straightforward where higher number carries more cache and higher clocks.

For example Ultra 9 285H has 5.4 GHz and that would be the old i9 with a 15900HX name if they kept that naming system. Ultra 5 235H has 5.0 GHz and less cache, and that would be i5 15500HX.

Actually, for comparison, I'll literally copy/paste official names, it's still the same amount of CPUs (Intel® Core™ Processors HX-Series (14th gen): SKU Comparison):

• Intel® Core™ i9 Processor 14900HX 👉➡ Intel® Core™ Ultra 9 Processor 285H
• Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 14700HX 👉➡ Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 Processor 265H
• Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 14650HX 👉➡ Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 Processor 255H
• Intel® Core™ i5 Processor 14500HX 👉➡ Intel® Core™ Ultra 5 Processor 235H
• Intel® Core™ i5 Processor 14450HX 👉➡ Intel® Core™ Ultra 5 Processor 225H

Old names 33 characters (including spaces), new names 35 characters (including spaces).

The names were retarded before and they still are, but the important thing "Ultra",  number next to it, and number following "Processor", has more clarity now. It's unarguably easier to remember 255H than 14650HX. Then again it can always get worse with AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 370+ Ultra Maxblabla...

The only sane player in this space is Apple with M4, M4 Pro, M4 Max (and the amount of cores listed to them). Can't be simpler. Meanwhile Qualcomm, AMD and Intel... 🙄

absolutely unnecessary, confusing line-up

Raptor Lake H sku will be targeted at the 'affordable' segment? That will be a welcome change for H sku pricing.

Ok, I get it. If you can't release "A" compelling product that simply stands out on its own merits, FLOOD the market with products that have minor differences in attempts to confuse possible purchasers. :)