Why even publish this garbage? Would you publish a story from the Burger King CEO saying nobody likes McDonalds burgers? or a story that BlueSky sucks from Elon Musk?

The truth is 90% of complaints about Elite Snapdragon are from people who never used one or are brand sycophants.

Except for gaming they're better than x86 laptops in every way.

90% of my apps are ARM64 native and those that are not run better emulated than they did on my previous generation Intel laptop.

It actually reliably wakes from sleep which Intel still can't do.

The webcam is worlds better. Wifi 7 performance/reliability is amazing.

Adoption is fast. There are now over 15+ native ARM64 VPN clients.

Customer satisfaction is extremely high, look at any purchase site or comment section form actual owners, a great majority love them.

My Lenovo Slim 7x is the best laptop I've owned in the past 30 years.

Lunar Lake is too little too late, I've seen complaints that the fan spins up way too often, I almost never hear the fan on mine.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on December 15, 2024, 09:53:11

Quote from: GeorgeS on December 15, 2024, 02:16:38Why would anyone purchase a 'gimped' computer?

During its advertisement period, Snapdragon X seemed attractive because of long battery life. Meanwhile, x64 notebooks and hybrids have caught up on battery life, are less expensive for same performance and are without compatibility problems. Therefore, there is no reason any more for buying Snapdragon X notebooks or hybrids.

For Windows tablets, the situation still differs: there is hardly anything else than Surfaces. I considered a Snapdragon X Surface despite the compatibility problems and price but decided against it because Surfaces have further drawbacks: no matte screen, extremely expensive replacement batteries and no repairability (outside Microsoft's PR lies). Let us hope that CES 2025 brings many passively cooled x64 Windows tablets with long battery life and reasonable prices! Lunar Lake can do it if only the manufacturers apply it properly.

Then, there will be no reason whatsoever to buy a gimped, excessively expensive Snapdragon X device with nothing but compatibility problems.

All of this 👆

And I would add another thing - there was no such epic amount of over-promise and under-deliver as with Qualcomm and their X Elite chips. All that nonsense was coming directly from their own CEO during multiple live streams where he was talking, so it was not lost in translation; nonsense such as claiming how their X Elite CPU is the most powerful CPU on the market, more powerful than Apple M3, anything by Intel and AMD, and even stronger than, I'll quote him now, "the best of the best that you can find in desktops - the i9 14900K".

Then they, including him, kept parroting how their iGPU is the strongest iGPU to ever see the market, that gaming is not an issue because THOUSANDS of games were tested and they all run equally good or better than on x86. Then they kept spamming that link where games are really tested but when you saw which games are in question it was really funny to see what was under the category of flawless experience (browser games, random Microsoft Store games like Candy Crush etc.).
 
They, including him, didn't stop even there, no, no, they kept repeating how compatibility with legacy hardware is impeccable due to their close relationship with Microsoft where they ensured how everything will work, you guessed it, flawlessly and even better than than with "legacy chips" (Qualcomm's CEO can't stop himself from calling x86 "legacy"). Not just that, it will be better!

All of that by having multiple full workdays on a single charge, lol.

Just to flop in all regards including that "multi-all-day-workday battery life" claim.

I'm not exaggerating, I'm not imagining things, it is all on Snapdragon's official YouTube channel so you can take a look. Good video to start with that touches just a part of what I said above, all with extremely vivid imagination from Qualcomm guys: Snapdragon Computex 2024 Keynote: The PC Reborn

Tl; dr - the chips are quite decent, no doubts there. But it's difficult to take them seriously after they didn't deliver a single promise of their own, starting with "impeccable compatibility with legacy hardware".

Edit: I forgot to link this one full of gold, especially the part where the guy is demonstrating how good the gaming is while the game on screen is stuttering like hell to full-freeze of literally ZERO fps: Qualcomm X Elite Laptops at Computex 2024, with Davinci Resolve, Chrome, ecosystem, performance

Quote from: AArch64_fan on December 15, 2024, 15:38:19

Quote from: DS27 on December 15, 2024, 12:21:53Qualcomm made a serious mistake by entering this market. It's only losing money

Well they had to start somewhere didn't they? That's like saying to Nvidia back in 2019, that going DLSS & AI tensor core upscaling is a mistake.

False.

Not the same thing by MILES.

And to be factual, only AMD is on record, and their shills, fan-nuts, & NVIDIA haters, vomiting such foolishness due to... well... the rest of this story is now history, right?! 😏

Quote from: DS27 on December 15, 2024, 12:21:53Qualcomm made a serious mistake by entering this market. It's only losing money

Well they had to start somewhere didn't they? That's like saying to Nvidia back in 2019, that going DLSS & AI tensor core upscaling is a mistake. And it was for the RTX 2000 launch but without that we wouldn't be where we are today. By 2025, every console will be using it. Or when the first iPhones started using custom CPU and GPU architectures..

Don't think anyone could have also predicted lunar lake would be as good as it is as well. That kind of came from nowhere. Shame intel is axing it with no direct successor planned.

Qualcomm made a serious mistake by entering this market. It's only losing money

Quote from: GeorgeS on December 15, 2024, 02:16:38Why would anyone purchase a 'gimped' computer?

During its advertisement period, Snapdragon X seemed attractive because of long battery life. Meanwhile, x64 notebooks and hybrids have caught up on battery life, are less expensive for same performance and are without compatibility problems. Therefore, there is no reason any more for buying Snapdragon X notebooks or hybrids.

For Windows tablets, the situation still differs: there is hardly anything else than Surfaces. I considered a Snapdragon X Surface despite the compatibility problems and price but decided against it because Surfaces have further drawbacks: no matte screen, extremely expensive replacement batteries and no repairability (outside Microsoft's PR lies). Let us hope that CES 2025 brings many passively cooled x64 Windows tablets with long battery life and reasonable prices! Lunar Lake can do it if only the manufacturers apply it properly.

Then, there will be no reason whatsoever to buy a gimped, excessively expensive Snapdragon X device with nothing but compatibility problems.

Everyone and everywhere that had or have discussed a ARM-based puter (drop the com) has either hated it, complaining about MANY apps not working or just broken, mountains of complaints that these ARM-based toys are too expensive
for it to be so limited in EVERYTHING and/or the discussion changes to x86 or Apple's Silicon.

So, is there's truth to the Intel's claim?!?!

Hmm...

I'm sorry but I honestly can't figure who would buy these devices in the first place.

Given that Windows x86 powered devices run a full range of $400-2000+ as it is anyway.

If you want a inexpensive 'gimped' computer - there are Chromebooks $200-1200+.

So the 'SnapDragon' systems are 'gimped Windows' boxes that cost more than typical Chromebooks.

Maybe Microsoft really needs to steal/borrow Apples x86-2-ARM emulator. :)

Why would anyone purchase a 'gimped' computer?

Quote from: sdadsadsadas on December 14, 2024, 22:00:52Hope this guy knows a bit more than just commenting bad stuff about the competitors.

You would too if you ever got traumatized. I can no longer reproduce now due to the heat from x86 laptop CPUs frying the sperm in my ballsacks, so I can relate.

Hope this guy knows a bit more than just commenting bad stuff about the competitors.

Not being able to run your software, antivirus, games, fringe hardware, legacy hardware, tends to have a negative impact on people's experience.