Quote from: Ja on December 03, 2024, 16:30:17why put only 16gb on your flagship card when 24+slightly wider bus are maybe $50-100 more expensive?

They're gonna miss out on the entire LocalLLaMA crowd, people that buy 4 gpus at once for their home server and then go ahead and buy a hundred in the company they work at if they found the cards good enough.

also, considering that datacenters will start moving away from Ampere nobody will even bother with them.
lovely strategy by AMD..

Because they want to push people towards the more expensive hardware that is purpose built for AI.

AMD has been treating their consumer AI stuff like crap.

Even if dev support of rocm has improved, AMD's attitude towards consumer hardware has not.

Issues include:

1. DirectML works crap on windows forcing you into 3x less performance

2. On Linux you get much better performance, but they don't support the latest kernels forcing you into either using older hardware, recompile your own kernel. They can fix the issue easily, it is a few minutes of work but they don't want to fix it until they pin themselves to the next kernel version whichever that would be

3. Their igpus cause their dgpus to break in AI (how many companies punish people for buying more of their brand's hardware?)

4. Instead of just versioning stuff, they pretty much cut off old hardware forcing them into weird workarounds that can easily be fixed

5. This is on top of the fact that many software require a lot more hacks and effort going to get rocm working. It is getting better but still quite more painful than it needs to be

Quote from: Redaktion on December 02, 2024, 15:22:26but if AMD can sell the former at $600, it can potentially decimate the upper-mid-range GPU market.

No, that isn't enough of a discount to move market/mind-share rapidly. If they want Nvidia to remain with 90% marketshare while they're on 10% on steam hardware surveys, then yeah go ahead and do that.

Otherwise they should price Navi 48 around $450. Navi 44 needs to be $279. Even that would still be too much for me but hopefully with discounts knocking it down another $50, $399 and $229 would actually get people interested for budget pc gaming again. (the majority of people)

If you're happy paying $600 for a GPU, might as well pay a few hundred more and go Nvidia.

They will probably price it to $600 then wonder why it isn't selling slash to $400 6 months later. Lmao. Just based on past history.

The 8800XT will be as fast as a 7900XTX in raster?!  Riiight!  Do you actually read the stuff you write?

The 8800XT will be a modest uplift in raster over a 7800 XT, probably 10% (or more) slower than a 7900XT, let alone an XTX!  RT might be "improved" on titles that use really weak RT, but things games like Cyberpunk and Control will see very modest gains.

You and MLID need to think a little harder when making proclamations about next-gen GPU performance.

why put only 16gb on your flagship card when 24+slightly wider bus are maybe $50-100 more expensive?

They're gonna miss out on the entire LocalLLaMA crowd, people that buy 4 gpus at once for their home server and then go ahead and buy a hundred in the company they work at if they found the cards good enough.

also, considering that datacenters will start moving away from Ampere nobody will even bother with them.
lovely strategy by AMD..