Quote from: Worgarthe on December 08, 2024, 16:58:04I'm digging my heals in, right?

Heels. There is no such thing as heals.

Can you try to make a calibration again? This Matrix is still installed, in p14s gen 5 and colors from the box seem greenish

No one who is considering a Thinkpad is willing to be seen in public with a Macbook.

Quote from: Worgarthe on December 08, 2024, 16:58:04I'm digging my heals in, right? Says the guy who can't grasp the fact that ten teams in Formula 1, thousands of smart people in those teams, highest-paid and extremely smart engineers who build the most advanced on-land tech and make the fastest and safest vehicles on the planet with multi-billion $ budgets behind that tech, are simply not morons who are out of touch with technology around them.

Not a single MacBook to be seen anywhere in the whole Formula 1. Not even Qualcomm ARM (Qualcomm is a sponsor of Mercedes). But davidm says how they would switch on MacBooks, if only they knew how MacBooks are good, and how they would benefit from using one, because davidm knows better than them what do they need to work in the most expensive sports championship in the world... Damn.

Quote from: davidm on December 08, 2024, 16:11:16If the "red bull racing team" decided they could make real time effects without running out of battery power and sustainability was part of their brand and MacOS best offered that, they'd switch overnight. They probably refresh their critical systems every year, anyway, and hopefully they're hedging their software choices.

Plenty of P15 Gen 2 in that video above from the Red Bull's garage, those are laptops from 2021. There, the P15 Gen 2 with GP starring into it (and another behind, on his left): https://imgur.com/GlVqa4k

Start here and you will know why no one in F1 uses macOS: Who writes the software for f1 cars?

Wow, you're really fixated on the "red bull racing team," aren't you? Don't you think that it's a placeholder for any person or organisation who might like to compare PCs to Macs? Or do you think my point is that notebookcheck should include Mac results specifically for them?

I'm digging my heals in, right? Says the guy who can't grasp the fact that ten teams in Formula 1, thousands of smart people in those teams, highest-paid and extremely smart engineers who build the most advanced on-land tech and make the fastest and safest vehicles on the planet with multi-billion $ budgets behind that tech, are simply not morons who are out of touch with technology around them.

Not a single MacBook to be seen anywhere in the whole Formula 1. Not even Qualcomm ARM (Qualcomm is a sponsor of Mercedes). But davidm says how they would switch on MacBooks, if only they knew how MacBooks are good, and how they would benefit from using one, because davidm knows better than them what do they need to work in the most expensive sports championship in the world... Damn.

Quote from: davidm on December 08, 2024, 16:11:16If the "red bull racing team" decided they could make real time effects without running out of battery power and sustainability was part of their brand and MacOS best offered that, they'd switch overnight. They probably refresh their critical systems every year, anyway, and hopefully they're hedging their software choices.

Plenty of P15 Gen 2 in that video above from the Red Bull's garage, those are laptops from 2021. There, the P15 Gen 2 with GP starring into it (and another behind, on his left): https://imgur.com/GlVqa4k

Start here and you will know why no one in F1 uses macOS: Who writes the software for f1 cars?

Quote from: Worgarthe on December 06, 2024, 00:38:09

Quote from: davidm on December 05, 2024, 22:55:05The "red bull racing team" might switch to Mac tomorrow if they knew they'd get better battery life / performance/etc.

I'm quite certain that some of the smartest people and engineers in the world, let alone extremely well-paid, those same people who are able to build a championship-winning Formula 1 car, know very well what do they need and what do they get from their laptops.

Quote from: davidm on December 05, 2024, 22:55:05As well, an informed individual should understand where each processor fits in.

Exactly. Which is why if you need (or want) macOS you won't consider Windows or Linux. Or if you need/want Windows or Linux you won't really consider macOS.

I'm not sure why you're digging your heels in. You can see by the increasing share of MacOS (and Linux/ChromeOS) at the cost of Windows that operating systems aren't chosen for life. If the "red bull racing team" decided they could make real time effects without running out of battery power and sustainability was part of their brand and MacOS best offered that, they'd switch overnight. They probably refresh their critical systems every year, anyway, and hopefully they're hedging their software choices.

The main question is, is this site notebookcheck, or mswindowsnotebookcheck?

Quote from: davidm on December 05, 2024, 22:55:05The "red bull racing team" might switch to Mac tomorrow if they knew they'd get better battery life / performance/etc.

I'm quite certain that some of the smartest people and engineers in the world, let alone extremely well-paid, those same people who are able to build a championship-winning Formula 1 car, know very well what do they need and what do they get from their laptops.

Quote from: davidm on December 05, 2024, 22:55:05As well, an informed individual should understand where each processor fits in.

Exactly. Which is why if you need (or want) macOS you won't consider Windows or Linux. Or if you need/want Windows or Linux you won't really consider macOS.

Quote from: Worgarthe on December 04, 2024, 19:50:19

Quote from: davidm on December 04, 2024, 18:22:16

Quote from: Worgarthe on December 02, 2024, 19:27:45Windows. macOS.

The review is "Lenovo ThinkPad T14s Gen 6," not "Windows on the Lenovo ThinkPad T14s Gen 6." I run Linux on my Thinkpads. Other people may have latitude in which hardware they purchase. When looking at performance broadly, it is very relevant to compare the AMD, Intel, Snapdragon, and Apple M chips. A narrow view has led to a very uncompetitive result

I agree but it doesn't matter what you run, nor anyone else. The device here in this review runs Windows (and Windows itself is trash, but that really doesn't matter here). It's a business laptop and you can use it for 99% of things that you can use your MacBook for; meanwhile with a MacBook you can use it for maybe, big maybe, 50% of things that you can use this T14s G6 here. Have you ever seen a MacBook in Formula 1 garages or pitwalls or anywhere else in the sport? I didn't. But there is a ton of T14, T14s and P15/P16 workstations. A TON.

If the computer is to run cross-platform or equivalent applications, or even just general purpose with concern for things like battery life or sustainability, it's relevant to include Macs in the comparison. It should be easy to compare the characteristics of each platform. The "red bull racing team" might switch to Mac tomorrow if they knew they'd get better battery life / performance/etc. As well, an informed individual should understand where each processor fits in. And it would be good for the industry to break down silos to know where different options truly stand.

Quote from: davidm on December 04, 2024, 18:22:16

Quote from: Worgarthe on December 02, 2024, 19:27:45Windows. macOS.

The review is "Lenovo ThinkPad T14s Gen 6," not "Windows on the Lenovo ThinkPad T14s Gen 6." I run Linux on my Thinkpads. Other people may have latitude in which hardware they purchase. When looking at performance broadly, it is very relevant to compare the AMD, Intel, Snapdragon, and Apple M chips. A narrow view has led to a very uncompetitive result

I agree but it doesn't matter what you run, nor anyone else. The device here in this review runs Windows (and Windows itself is trash, but that really doesn't matter here). It's a business laptop and you can use it for 99% of things that you can use your MacBook for; meanwhile with a MacBook you can use it for maybe, big maybe, 50% of things that you can use this T14s G6 here. Have you ever seen a MacBook in Formula 1 garages or pitwalls or anywhere else in the sport? I didn't. But there is a ton of T14, T14s and P15/P16 workstations. A TON.

Take a look here in the Red Bull Racing garage, following the 2024 Mexican Grand Prix, literally only ThinkPad P-series everywhere around and Lenovo is not a sponsor of Red Bull to equip them with laptops, they are in fact not a sponsor of any other team on the grid (and all teams use ThinkPads or different HPs like ZBooks, EliteBooks and such, literally not a single MacBook anywhere): What Happens On The Pit Wall At An F1 Race? | Behind The Charge

Same goes for many other usage scenarios. I'm yet to see a MacBook being used in I&C engineering, say for ABB Advant, but I see quite a lot of ThinkPads there, again T14, T14s, P-series workstations... What about making software for freight trains? MacBook or ThinkPad? Rhetorical question, of course.

Tl; dr - different horses for different courses.

Quote from: Worgarthe on December 02, 2024, 19:27:45

Quote from: davidm on December 02, 2024, 18:38:58Not doing anyone any favours by not comparing this to Macbooks.

Windows. macOS.

The review is "Lenovo ThinkPad T14s Gen 6," not "Windows on the Lenovo ThinkPad T14s Gen 6." I run Linux on my Thinkpads. Other people may have latitude in which hardware they purchase. When looking at performance broadly, it is very relevant to compare the AMD, Intel, Snapdragon, and Apple M chips. A narrow view has led to a very uncompetitive result

yes

Quote from: davidm on December 02, 2024, 18:38:58Not doing anyone any favours by not comparing this to Macbooks.

Windows. macOS.

Not doing anyone any favours by not comparing this to Macbooks.

you don't type much, do you?