Quote from: djayjp on October 11, 2024, 08:12:56the game compatibility issue will continue to be a major obstacle

What game compatibility issues? Almost 95% of the game issues for arm are gpu driver related, not really CPU recompiler/jit related (if we exclude stuff like online kernel anti cheat and Denovo DRM). But GPU drivers on arm wouldn't be an issue for tegra as they essentially use the same full driver stack as desktop geforce.

The only reasons you're seeing the current game related issues on Snapdragon X Elite is because Adreno drivers simply suck, plain and simple. This has been known for 5+ years now.

And I've no clue what Cooe is on about. Custom CPU arm cores? Nvidia hasn't done one in like a decade now. Using standard off the shelf designs is fine now. See a modern core like x925 performance. It's rivaling latest Apple chips. Doubtful SD8G4 will get much better than this since they're always behind Apple.

Quote from: Cooe on October 10, 2024, 03:43:08This chip will never come to desktops. This is a thin & light laptop SOC meant to compete with AMD's upcoming Strix Halo, Qualcomm's Snapdragon Elite, and Apple's M4 family.

Nvidia's absolutely TERRIFIED by products like Strix Halo which basically kill off any sensible reasons for low end to mid-range laptop dGPU's to exist. Hence why they felt like they had no choice but to partner with Mediatek to design a competitor. Otherwise they were going to be completely pushed out of the "thin & light gaming laptop" market that they currently DOMINATE.

My thoughts exactly, though I wouldn't be so sure about the lack of presence on desktop. Also the game compatibility issue will continue to be a major obstacle, unless they pull a driver recompiling miracle out of a hat (Nvidia could do it if it's possible).

It is clear that MEDIATEK+Nvidia have a lot of money and are going to do a lot of damage, even more to Intel, which continues to lose in performance/consumption compared to AMD, which is much superior. AMD has been using iGPUs for many years that allow playing AAA games, something unthinkable for Intel. Currently, in computer forums, everyone who buys a laptop chooses AMD.
Surely this first generation of MEDIATEK+Nvidia will not surpass AMD and Intel, but both companies must wake up for 2025 and competition is good for having BETTER PRODUCTS WITH BETTER QUALITY.

Quote from: Cooe on October 10, 2024, 03:39:55

Quote from: Mr Majestyk on October 10, 2024, 01:58:58Game over Qualcomm.

Yeah... No. Not even close. 🤷 Every Nvidia designed custom ARM core has been an absolute DISASTER while Mediatek doesn't even have a CPU core design team (they just use the straight off the shelf from ARM designs). This product will get absolutely CRUSHED in CPU performance by Qualcomm and Apple's fully custom CPU cores even if it dominates in iGPU performance.

Apple's cores are not fully custom. that is false.

Considering how well Dimensity 9400 is benching this year, am surprised they even need to work with Nvidia here. They have a product that outperforms Snapdragon Gen 4 in GPU and AI workloads, and a CPU that matches Snapdragon Gen 4. The same chip can boost to 18W, one must imagine that with good drivers it'll be pretty good on laptops and handhelds. That being said, Lunar Lake is the indisputable best in that space right now

This chip will never come to desktops. This is a thin & light laptop SOC meant to compete with AMD's upcoming Strix Halo, Qualcomm's Snapdragon Elite, and Apple's M4 family.

Nvidia's absolutely TERRIFIED by products like Strix Halo which basically kill off any sensible reasons for low end to mid-range laptop dGPU's to exist. Hence why they felt like they had no choice but to partner with Mediatek to design a competitor. Otherwise they were going to be completely pushed out of the "thin & light gaming laptop" market that they currently DOMINATE.

Quote from: Mr Majestyk on October 10, 2024, 01:58:58Game over Qualcomm.

Yeah... No. Not even close. 🤷 Every Nvidia designed custom ARM core has been an absolute DISASTER while Mediatek doesn't even have a CPU core design team (they just use the straight off the shelf from ARM designs). This product will get absolutely CRUSHED in CPU performance by Qualcomm and Apple's fully custom CPU cores even if it dominates in iGPU performance.

Game over Qualcomm.