Quote from: AHA on September 19, 2024, 23:50:33But fall down on the most basic task: making sufficient quantities of the product available to meet the demand.

This is by no accident by the way but intentional. Notice how we almost never hear any whispers from AMDs server partners how Epyc and thread rippers are unobtanium?

It's clear they're chasing over bigger margins. I just fear that the way they've treated this market has created such a negative mind share and brand image about them that once mediatek-nvidia soc arrives, people would just rather switch to arm at that point than deal with this.

Agreed!

AMD needs to make their products AVAILABLE for their OEM partners to put into products before Team Blue catches up (or bribes them).

lol! For years AMD have had highly competitive, if not actually out and out superior, CPUs & GPUs but too often they've been unobtanium. The R7 6800U (now nearly 3 years old) is still competitive in 2025 (renamed but otherwise unchanged in the 7000 & 8000 series line ups) yet was only available in some markets and even then as far as I know in only three ultrabooks - one from ASUS (Zenbook 13 S) and two from Lenovo (Yoga 14 and a ThinkBook.)
For years it's been the case that any thin and light laptop with a AMD CPU was far better (and usually cheaper) than the Intel powered version in the same chassis. Only a lack of availability stopped OEMs from offering more AMD powered laptops and demand from consumers exceeded supply. With Lunar Lake that is no longer the case and Arrow Lake could prove just as competitive. If Zen 5 parts aren't available then Intel and Snapdragon will eat into AMDs market share with their increasingly competitive and more readily available products. It seems insane that they can design class leading silicon but fall down on the most basic task: making sufficient quantities of the product available to meet the demand.

Respectfully, disagree. AMD have ignored the laptop market for almost 5 years now but their earnings keep going up, so seems to not matter what happens in this market for them.

Quote from: systemBuilder22 on September 18, 2024, 23:02:12Intel is throwing its weight around in the laptop market to make sure that AMD fails.

I guess that must explain why the Snapdragon X Elite launch had more supply / availability and was in more laptops than AMD has had in almost 4 years.

Quote from: systemBuilder22 on September 18, 2024, 23:02:12It's pretty obvious that Intel is throwing its weight around in the laptop market to make sure that AMD fails.  They have been known to send bribes out to OEMs to keep important AMD SKUs never-released.  They did EXACTLY THIS with the Athlon series of CPUs ... I have noticed, for example, that 32GB AMD 88xx and 78xx laptops are almost impossible to find!  Coincidence?  I think not!

Intel might've done that until recently, but right now the fault probably lies with amd.
The lack of support for so-dimm ram, weird nomenclature etc aren't helping any.
Engineers are good, but the advertising division is dumb and totally lacking any enthusiasm.
Despite having so many good products especially for the ultrathin segment, amd never made it to absolute flagship class notebooks like 'Dell xps 13', 'hp dragonfly', or any tablets like 'surface pro'.
You can only blame the higher ups for failing the engineering division.


Intel probably played a huge part in this too though.
We might see another intel powered Xbox too 🤣😂

It's pretty obvious that Intel is throwing its weight around in the laptop market to make sure that AMD fails.  They have been known to send bribes out to OEMs to keep important AMD SKUs never-released.  They did EXACTLY THIS with the Athlon series of CPUs ... I have noticed, for example, that 32GB AMD 88xx and 78xx laptops are almost impossible to find!  Coincidence?  I think not!