Quote from: Dayton on September 19, 2024, 14:33:26It's really not necessary that we agree. In fact, I'd be happier if we had our own discrete forums where we didn't interact, but here you are.

So you also want an echo chamber. How am I wrong now that you are not ready for life decisions.

Quote from: mdongwe on September 18, 2024, 20:06:01

Quote from: Dayton on September 18, 2024, 19:24:47I have a responsibility to confront outrageous scapegoating and libel. 

You are just a brainwashed kid who doesn't even yet realize world is all shades of gray and not black or white. Stop picking fights on the Internet, and don't respond to me. Thank you.

Brainwashed? By whom?

It's really not necessary that we agree. In fact, I'd be happier if we had our own discrete forums where we didn't interact, but here you are.

Quote from: Dayton on September 18, 2024, 19:24:47I have a responsibility to confront outrageous scapegoating and libel. 

You are just a brainwashed kid who doesn't even yet realize world is all shades of gray and not black or white. Stop picking fights on the Internet, and don't respond to me. Thank you.

Quote from: mdongwe on September 17, 2024, 07:21:49

Quote from: Dayton on September 16, 2024, 21:19:46

Quote from: dramaqueen on September 16, 2024, 19:17:17

Quote from: Dayton on September 16, 2024, 15:12:06Ukraine would not be getting one American penny had it not been for Russia's brutal, unjustified invasion and terror campaign on civilians.

If you still think any side in such conflicts is a "good guy" you better delegate serious life decisions to someone more mature.

There's nothing good about war, that's true. However, its clear which side altered the status quo, starting in 2014 with the annexation of Crimea, and efforts to destabilize Eastern Ukraine. Not to mention their mirror efforts in Georgia, Moldova, Belarus, and more.

Russia has no right to use military force to override those countries sovereignty. Or do you suppose the US invading Mexico or Canada would be morally acceptable, since "both sides are bad?"

It's also obvious how shameful your position is, choosing complete anonymity and resorting to cheap insults.

You trying to turn random hardware forum into your political tribune just affirms my opinion that you are not ready to take on serious life decisions and need guidance of someone more mature.

Since you haven't followed the discussion, it was started by MarkC below. I have a responsibility to confront outrageous scapegoating and libel. 

How are you not guilty of your own assertions by continuing the discourse?

Quote from: NoteBookFan876 on September 17, 2024, 23:21:46as long as it pertains to the main topic at hand

To EV tariff that is.

Quote from: mdongwe on September 17, 2024, 07:21:49

Quote from: Dayton on September 16, 2024, 21:19:46

Quote from: dramaqueen on September 16, 2024, 19:17:17

Quote from: Dayton on September 16, 2024, 15:12:06Ukraine would not be getting one American penny had it not been for Russia's brutal, unjustified invasion and terror campaign on civilians.

If you still think any side in such conflicts is a "good guy" you better delegate serious life decisions to someone more mature.

There's nothing good about war, that's true. However, its clear which side altered the status quo, starting in 2014 with the annexation of Crimea, and efforts to destabilize Eastern Ukraine. Not to mention their mirror efforts in Georgia, Moldova, Belarus, and more.

Russia has no right to use military force to override those countries sovereignty. Or do you suppose the US invading Mexico or Canada would be morally acceptable, since "both sides are bad?"

It's also obvious how shameful your position is, choosing complete anonymity and resorting to cheap insults.

You trying to turn random hardware forum into your political tribune just affirms my opinion that you are not ready to take on serious life decisions and need guidance of someone more mature.

Some random hardware forum (gasp)... hey, I take great offense to that ;D

Anyway, there's nothing wrong with talking about political topics in any forum as long as it pertains to
the main topic at hand. And remember these political topics doesn't just happens over night, there's always some history tied to it. Also note that politics can be between governments and companies, external and internal, etc. etc.

Furthermore politics can be and has always been a major influence in the tech industry.
Like for instance, this very post... that, you, were reading, right? So of course, it's going to spark a
discussion. So no one should discourage anyone commenting anything as long as it's not harmful, untrue or misleading. You might learn something from what has been discussed.

Quote from: Dayton on September 16, 2024, 21:19:46

Quote from: dramaqueen on September 16, 2024, 19:17:17

Quote from: Dayton on September 16, 2024, 15:12:06Ukraine would not be getting one American penny had it not been for Russia's brutal, unjustified invasion and terror campaign on civilians.

If you still think any side in such conflicts is a "good guy" you better delegate serious life decisions to someone more mature.

There's nothing good about war, that's true. However, its clear which side altered the status quo, starting in 2014 with the annexation of Crimea, and efforts to destabilize Eastern Ukraine. Not to mention their mirror efforts in Georgia, Moldova, Belarus, and more.

Russia has no right to use military force to override those countries sovereignty. Or do you suppose the US invading Mexico or Canada would be morally acceptable, since "both sides are bad?"

It's also obvious how shameful your position is, choosing complete anonymity and resorting to cheap insults.

You trying to turn random hardware forum into your political tribune just affirms my opinion that you are not ready to take on serious life decisions and need guidance of someone more mature.

Quote from: dramaqueen on September 16, 2024, 19:17:17

Quote from: Dayton on September 16, 2024, 15:12:06Ukraine would not be getting one American penny had it not been for Russia's brutal, unjustified invasion and terror campaign on civilians.

If you still think any side in such conflicts is a "good guy" you better delegate serious life decisions to someone more mature.

There's nothing good about war, that's true. However, its clear which side altered the status quo, starting in 2014 with the annexation of Crimea, and efforts to destabilize Eastern Ukraine. Not to mention their mirror efforts in Georgia, Moldova, Belarus, and more.

Russia has no right to use military force to override those countries sovereignty. Or do you suppose the US invading Mexico or Canada would be morally acceptable, since "both sides are bad?"

It's also obvious how shameful your position is, choosing complete anonymity and resorting to cheap insults.

While not exactly/entirely 'tech related' the use of 'tariffs' are for:

1. Protecting your own businesses
2. Generating $$$ for your government

The problems with 'tariffs' comes down to:

1. May actually HURT your businesses as other countries can impose tariffs making YOUR countries products unsellable there

2. Given CAPITALISM and how it works, if IMPORT prices are high, DOMESTIC prices can also be HIGH which in turn leads to INFLATION

3. In ALL cases where a domestic equivalent DOES NOT EXIST, the tariff is passed onto the consumer, equating to a national sales tax

4. In mostly all cases, tariffs equate to a national sales tax

While 'on paper' it may SEEM to prop up one industry (or company) or another but in the end the CONSUMER is the one that is paying for it

BOTH of the US parties have done tariffs

Quote from: Dayton on September 16, 2024, 15:12:06Ukraine would not be getting one American penny had it not been for Russia's brutal, unjustified invasion and terror campaign on civilians.

If you still think any side in such conflicts is a "good guy" you better delegate serious life decisions to someone more mature.

Quote from: MarkC on September 16, 2024, 08:36:38These tariff increases are just Zionist greed. Israel and Ukraine need more money.

How many different ways can people abuse the Ukrainian people? Russia claims they're Nazis, you claim they are Zionists, what did these people ever do except exist?

How cruel and inhumane can you be? Ukraine would not be getting one American penny had it not been for Russia's brutal, unjustified invasion and terror campaign on civilians.

These tariff increases are just Zionist greed. Israel and Ukraine need more money.

This in no way benefits Americans who are already squeezed by inflation