Quote from: TruthIsThere on September 11, 2024, 09:01:10You just... cannot make this stuff up, folks! 2024 will go down in history, seared in all gamers, investors/stakeholders, ect. minds, that Sony is the biggest fool and the biggest loser in gaming history!

What's your problem, you don't have to buy Pro, can always get a normal one. There's like 3 next-gen games that can justify buying it over normal PS5 for avg Joe. Pro is a niche image product for brand enthusiasts and rich people. Lack of disc drive kind of hints it's not for average cheapo Joe buying used games. It will find its customer, it's just not you, it's people earning $30-40+/hour who earn on it 3-4 days. For every 20 people commenting "no buy" online there will be 1 buying it.
Other than that people discussing it online are mostly kids and soyboys so they are hysterical and overreacting, just like you.

Bahahaha!

Over 100K+ dislikes on YouTube and it's still super counting up... fast! It's so bad, Sony has embarrassingly took down that reveal's upload channel! Bahahaha!!!

This reveal feedback, the biggest new introduction conslow failure reveal in the history... *ahem*... HISTORY of gaming 😂, is even worst than the super embarrassing Concord extreme super flop response, folks!

You just... cannot make this stuff up, folks! 2024 will go down in history, seared in all gamers, investors/stakeholders, ect. minds, that Sony is the biggest fool and the biggest loser in gaming history!

Bahahaha!!!

"Sony has promised to enhance up to 8,500 last and current-gen titles"

Very curious about that one. Already I don't like some older titles being capped at 30fps/medium while ps5 hw could do 60fps/high easy. The development studio of the game might need to be contacted to prepare a patch, which is not gonna happen.
Imo scalability of video settings is the biggest pain of playstation for past couple of years. Sure, on pc you have tons of options and maybe you don't like to mess with that. But at least you can scale the game to your hw. PS5 games? 3 modes if you are lucky, but no chance to bump to 60fps even with PS5pro unless the game dev (or sony somehow magically) update the game...

Quote from: Pitiful PC Gamer on September 10, 2024, 21:41:29the era of boomers (2008)

2008 isn't era of boomers.

Quote from: Pitiful PC Gamer on September 10, 2024, 21:41:29PS3 was like $600

PS3 is kind of cherry picked, it was expensive because of blu ray (simple blu ray player was around 1000 at the time) and ps2 hardware inside. So all and all it had insane value, but it was hard to chew the upfront cost.

Quote from: NotReally on September 10, 2024, 21:00:37That's the reality you pitiful PC gamers have been trying to deny for decades.

It really is unfortunate because consoles have always been cheaper but the difference wasn't as big as it is now. Back in during the era of boomers (2008), a PS3 was like $600. For just a little more (around $700-$750), you build a complete PC with like 400% more GFLOPS and could get way more FPS at comparable resolution/image quality in the same games.

Now? Sure, you can get RTX 4080 Super and it'll probably easily get 2.5x the FPS of a ps5. But the price will be at the cost of costing 7x more when factoring complete total system costs. That just isn't worth the 700% tax, even if you factor cheaper games and free online.

Quote from: p c m r on September 10, 2024, 20:03:14Uh you do realize PC gaming has higher framerates at the same resolution/hardware as consoles right? this has been the reality for decades now.

A $500 gaming PC does not have higher fps than a base PS5 at the same resolution and comparable settings. Not even remotely. Get your facts straight before you try to school someone.

Consoles don't need the same raw performance as a PC because the games are actually optimized for that specific system and don't have to run on 10,000 different hardware combinations. That's the reality you pitiful PC gamers have been trying to deny for decades.

Quote from: SomeoneWhoKnows on September 10, 2024, 19:19:20

Quote from: GeorgeS on September 10, 2024, 18:55:08OMG! LOL!!

So the "claim" here is that an iGPU (as part of a AMD APU) is going to "trade blows" with a current generation mid-range AMD dGPU!!?!?!?!?

ROTFLMAO!!!

you see, I have this bridge for sale...

Oh wow, you should really do some reading before embarrassing yourself like that. The GPU of consoles is not comparable to the measly iGPU you find in laptops and desktops. But what do you expect from someone who invests thousands to play the most unoptimized version of games that's available 🤣

Uh you do realize PC gaming has higher framerates at the same resolution/hardware as consoles right? this has been the reality for decades now.

Quote from: GeorgeS on September 10, 2024, 18:55:08So the "claim" here is that an iGPU (as part of a AMD APU) is going to "trade blows" with a current generation mid-range AMD dGPU!!?!?!?!?

You cannot compare the igpu's given to console makers to the ones in the consumer pc market. They're completely different beasts. In fact, even though they're igpus, because of the way they're built they're much more analogous to a dGPU in the PC space just with an ultra low power mobile U series CPU attached to them.

Quote from: TruthIsThere on September 10, 2024, 18:25:51Pro version is going to be an equivalent of ~6700xt/7600 (non-xt)

No, it won't. It's closer to 6800 / 7700.

And despite the higher pricing, keep in mind building an equivalent complete PC system (without going used & comes with decent warranty) that includes something like an 8 core 16 threaded 4.0+ GHz CPU with 16 GB VRAM 6800 / 7700 tier gpu + fast PCIe 4.0 NVMe 2 TB SSD .. will easily cost over double or more. So more like 1600+ minimum. That's just the sad current reality we live in whether you choose to game on PC or consoles, these are the prices we deal with.

Quote from: TruthIsThere on September 10, 2024, 18:25:51at ~45% lift, if a user is getting ~22 up to 30fps in a title, that is only ~31.9 up to  ~43.5fps!!!

Don't own a ps5 (or any consoles) but from what I understand many games in performance mode (if they're well optimized that is) on base ps5 are already doing around 40-45 FPS.

Doing 1.45 x 40-45 fps is around 58-65 fps. You're right tho, not all games may scale that well, depends on game engine. So some maybe not completely reach stable 60 but it seems close enough to call it a 60 fps console now I guess.

Frankly, I do not think throwing more hardware at the problem is the way to go. Just look at people with RTX 4090s still dealing with traversal and shader stutter on a daily basis. Look at what game studios have been able to pull off on the switch when good optimization is done.

I still won't be getting any consoles but to laugh at this while completely ignoring the trainwreck that the pc space has become seems a little disingenuous.

Quote from: GeorgeS on September 10, 2024, 18:55:08So the "claim" here is that an iGPU (as part of a AMD APU) is going to "trade blows" with a current generation mid-range AMD dGPU!!?!?!?!?

If Apple managed to do it there is no reason to consider it impossible.

Quote from: GeorgeS on September 10, 2024, 18:55:08OMG! LOL!!

So the "claim" here is that an iGPU (as part of a AMD APU) is going to "trade blows" with a current generation mid-range AMD dGPU!!?!?!?!?

ROTFLMAO!!!

you see, I have this bridge for sale...

Oh wow, you should really do some reading before embarrassing yourself like that. The GPU of consoles is not comparable to the measly iGPU you find in laptops and desktops. But what do you expect from someone who invests thousands to play the most unoptimized version of games that's available 🤣

Quote from: TruthIsThere on September 10, 2024, 18:25:51user is getting ~22 up to 30fps in a title

Which PS5 title runs at 22fps exactly?

OMG! LOL!!

So the "claim" here is that an iGPU (as part of a AMD APU) is going to "trade blows" with a current generation mid-range AMD dGPU!!?!?!?!?

ROTFLMAO!!!

you see, I have this bridge for sale...

Bahahaha!

Idiots. I told ya! 800+ bones for no games. For a freaking conslow, yo! Bahahaha!

A cool 45% (not...,😂) performance lift, that is ONLY FOR A COUPLE OF SELECTED TITLES NOT ALL TITLES (I thought this thing was suppose to match, or better, the RTX4070 😂)...

Think about that for a moment, for a couple titles... only a couple, not all, at ~45% lift, if a user is getting ~22 up to 30fps in a title, that is only ~31.9 up to  ~43.5fps!!! Bahahaha!

Nah, who needs a stable 60fps+ (quality) gaming experience, right?! 😏

I'm calling it right now... again... when TRUE / HONEST REVIEWS finish with their benchmark results for this thing, this so-called Pro version is going to be an equivalent of ~6700xt/7600 (non-xt) with custom RT bump. Bahahaha!