Quote from: anan on September 02, 2024, 11:24:04This is NIMBY mentality. But all of the concerns can be addressed. Displacement due to surface mining. Clearing of forests. Any new mine will cause this to happen. But I am interested if the byproduct waste can be disposed safely at all. China is known to skimp on proper disposal. And there are reports that some companies are pumping waste into disused wells. But in Europe? Couldn't this be addressed with proper control?

Hate to break it to you, but European and North-American authorities do not dispose of byproduct waste either, they just ship large chunks of it to China to make the problem magically go away (from their territory anyway).

EVs are built with pollution and land destruction.

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This is NIMBY mentality. But all of the concerns can be addressed. Displacement due to surface mining. Clearing of forests. Any new mine will cause this to happen. But I am interested if the byproduct waste can be disposed safely at all. China is known to skimp on proper disposal. And there are reports that some companies are pumping waste into disused wells. But in Europe? Couldn't this be addressed with proper control?

Quote from: Vwhsie66 on August 30, 2024, 14:01:14Didn't we want to transition to EV vehicles in any way (I mean "we" as in the EU)? Or did we think that we could do that only by letting others pay for that transition (all the environmental cost of rare earth extraction)? This is what happens when you don't want to see reality. There is no way that our modern world can have no impact (or negative!) on the environment. NO WAY. If we could accept this fact, we could even think about the unthinkable, for example modern nuclear energy. But in any way life is a compromise, and we should all learn to accept that.

P.s. Please remove that horrible AI generated image!

The fossil fuel industry (and many other corporations) have the ability to learn. Many of the so called environmental groups and protests are funded and controlled by them. They have been doing that to block renewable energy, EVs and etc

PS the only rare earth inside an EV drivetrain is in the motors, and even that isn't necessary as AC induction motors don't use rare earth

www.notebookchat.com/index.php?msg=607398

As soon as the authorities stopped sponsoring one savvy group at the expense of other citizens' taxes, the EV party ended immediately.

And if Europe and North America and generally "developed" countries are forced to accept all dirty production, rebellions will begin and the capitalists will immediately close the topic of electric cars...

This is the way of the modern world.  Just have your govt and environmentalists be involved to keep a check on water underground and rivers etc checked on a regular basis.  Make the company pay for it to.  But it will bring jobs and money to your country especially if you have nothing now.  Wages are at an all time high $15 and up. Make sure to start a union.

Eh, the transition to EVs as the "solution" to fuel vehicles isn't devised by citizens.

Remember folks, EVs aren't all the rage because they will save the planet, they are all the rage because they will save the auto industry.

Quote from: Vwhsie66 on August 30, 2024, 14:01:14Didn't we want to transition to EV vehicles in any way (I mean "we" as in the EU)? Or did we think that we could do that only by letting others pay for that transition (all the environmental cost of rare earth extraction)? This is what happens when you don't want to see reality. There is no way that our modern world can have no impact (or negative!) on the environment. NO WAY. If we could accept this fact, we could even think about the unthinkable, for example modern nuclear energy. But in any way life is a compromise, and we should all learn to accept that.

P.s. Please remove that horrible AI generated image!

This is the truth whether people want to admit it or not.

That AI image lmao

Didn't we want to transition to EV vehicles in any way (I mean "we" as in the EU)? Or did we think that we could do that only by letting others pay for that transition (all the environmental cost of rare earth extraction)? This is what happens when you don't want to see reality. There is no way that our modern world can have no impact (or negative!) on the environment. NO WAY. If we could accept this fact, we could even think about the unthinkable, for example modern nuclear energy. But in any way life is a compromise, and we should all learn to accept that.

P.s. Please remove that horrible AI generated image!