The moderator of this site is a cheap bastard who is simply taking revenge for the harsh truth of a person who is many times smarter than he is.

Deleting such truthful comments only proves his bastard nature, and since the management agrees with him in this - it means they are the same mentally.

I did not start this war - you did. You will have to clean it up.

Passive cooling in a thin newfangled case, even 16-17" with 30W total platform consumption is a priori impossible - the components heat up too much, especially the SSD, Wi-Fi chip and power supply, even if you cover literally everything with radiators.

The  - weight and volume of the case play a decisive role - for the passive circuit. Well, there is nothing wrong with the active one, if a low-speed, almost silent, with a distance of 30-40 cm, cooler (<25dBA) is installed or synchronously working (without sound beating) in a pair.

Well, in 2024, even 32GB of RAM looks simply ridiculous in models priced over $1200-1300.

Yes, the increased amount of RAM additionally corrupts negligent software developers to make bad software - of which there are most on the planet, but for the professional segment, Lunar Lake is simply not interesting with a ridiculous 32GB max, not to mention the absolutely ridiculous 16GB...

In fact, Intel now has the best process technology on the planet, as does AMD, and soon we will find out what their development team is really capable of with such a process technology at TSMC. If they do not beat AMD in terms of performance per 1W and in a multi-threaded test, it will be a fiasco (and human capital is a key factor in any company), although the company is too big to simply go bankrupt right now. The agony will continue for another decade...

I can see why intel is going bankrupt. Rather than investing in R&D, they are throwing away money to get scammy authors write scammy articles. Yeah, right, real trouncing happening here.

Quote from: NikoB-+- on August 31, 2024, 21:49:15I do not know a single relevant serious software developer today who uses less than 64GB. 32GB is used today only by students - for training. 16/32 is for amateurs. And therefore Intel with its maximum 32GB of memory soldered directly into the SoC immediately finds itself out of luck in the professional segment of the market - no one will buy Lunar Lake there.

I personally use less on a regular basis, even rending photo realistic blender scenes and infographuc videos on after affects, a good workman makes do, and plus, half the deisng industry is working on macs with 32gb or less.

In reality These are designs for laptops and tablets, i guess assuming you be using desktops for hefty workloads.

I sort of agree a bit, I would rather move to a high end laptop, so here's so hoping 🙏 they announce a beefed up lunar lake model with chonky gpu and large ram for mobile workstations, otherwise AMD halo be your only option aside from a 3k mac.

I hope lunar lake is as good as it looks, because as a convertible junky, I want more options! Also, a passive cooled option is a bizarre omission (lunar is all between 17 and 30w) if they're after grabbing back the mobile segment....

LunarLake will be made with the same process technology as Zen5, so it will be immediately clear where the architecture development team is more efficient. It will no longer be possible to write something off to different process technologies - now both are on their knees before TSMC...

The bad thing is that both companies are drifting towards soldered memory in the U series. Although this is more a question of price and its size. But Lunar Lake will not even have 64GB options, which immediately puts an end to them in serious professional tasks, compared to Zen4/5, where soldering 64GB and even 128GB is not a problem.

I do not know a single relevant serious software developer today who uses less than 64GB. 32GB is used today only by students - for training. 16/32 is for amateurs. And therefore Intel with its maximum 32GB of memory soldered directly into the SoC immediately finds itself out of luck in the professional segment of the market - no one will buy Lunar Lake there.

I don't see any trouncing going on here. That Intel part beat the AMD part by less than 100 points at a scale of thousands. And then the multi-threaded score well that speaks for itself AMD won by a landslide.

More accurate title would have been; Intel part barely edges out AMD part in single thread performance, still trailing heavily in multi-threaded performance.

Quote from: Shill on August 26, 2024, 11:27:46@Jay Mann & Uniston Smith:

How much are you guys getting sponsored / paid by AMD for?

Yeah dude, you got me. AMD paid me to point the clickbaitiness of this article's title, nothing to do with the fact the benchmark numbers in the actual article do not support the claim of the title.

Quote from: Shill on August 26, 2024, 11:27:46@Jay Mann & Uniston Smith:

Both of you have forgot to mention that current Zen 5 HX 370 laptops are barely available or have decent supply. The 2 Asus laptops it's in cost 1700 (without Nvidia dGPU) and the other one with Nvidia dGPU is over 2000.

If the rumoured leaks are to be true, lunar lake will be launching in the closer to ~1000 range.

I forgot nothing. I criticized the title of the article using the contents of the same article and made no attempt to defend AMD's current CPU or ascertain they are better than Intel's. I do hope Intel releases a competitive product, but these are rumors, final performance could be better or could be worse. The fact you thought criticizing the title of article was an automatic defense of AMD proves it is in fact you who is playing favorites. I did some research after your comment just to make sure your info was correct, it's not: the ASUS Vivobook S 15 is $1300 in the US and the Asus ProArt PZ13 HT5306 is £1,200 in EUR, some models with with discrete GPU start at $1899. Not cheap, but not close to the numbers you gave. Why do you need to make up numbers to prove a point, dude? How much did Intel pay you to lie @Shill?
I can't comment about the availability, but it's very possible, AMD has a history of doing paper launches for Laptop chips, but again not relevant to my original point. And again I won't defend AMD for it because I don't simp for brands.

Quote from: Shill on August 26, 2024, 11:27:46AMD better be close to releasing their 699 z2 extreme handhelds or they'll have 0 chance competing. Or atleast their lower binned core enabled hx 36x parts from OEMs other than just Asus.

There's another article  from the same day looking at GPU performance of Lunar Lake. Current rumors suggest their iGPU will not beat AMD's Strix Point, though not a 1 to 1 comparison because it's a single ARC iGPU model being tested. Hopefully Intel releases a competitive iGPU, but saying as a certainty current AMD iGPUs will have 0 chance of competing when the rumors suggest the opposite is hopeful at best, extreme fanboyism at worse.

Quote from: Shill on August 26, 2024, 11:27:46@Jay Mann & Uniston Smith:

If the rumoured leaks are to be true, lunar lake will be launching in the closer to ~1000 range.

Yes, I believe this will not only "trounce" AMD in battery life but pricing too.

I removed other parts of your post to focus on cost. Something is definitely up regarding cost because there is not anyone with any business acumen who can rationalize how Lunar Lake can cost less considering almost all chipsets/tiles are produced on TSMC 3B and it uses Foveros technology while AMD's Strix Point is monolithic TSMC 4 nm. TSMC 3B costs more per wafer than TSMC 4nm and Foveros is expensive packaging. In order for Intel to maintain any margins, Lunar Lake has to cost more per CPU package. Now, if Intel is providing a bunch of rebates and marketing funds to laptop OEM's, that further reduces any margins.

@Jay Mann & Uniston Smith:

How much are you guys getting sponsored / paid by AMD for?

Both of you have forgot to mention that current Zen 5 HX 370 laptops are barely available or have decent supply. The 2 Asus laptops it's in cost 1700 (without Nvidia dGPU) and the other one with Nvidia dGPU is over 2000.

If the rumoured leaks are to be true, lunar lake will be launching in the closer to ~1000 range.

Yes, I believe this will not only "trounce" AMD in battery life but pricing too.

AMD better be close to releasing their 699 z2 extreme handhelds or they'll have 0 chance competing. Or atleast their lower binned core enabled hx 36x parts from OEMs other than just Asus.

Quote from: Uinston Smith on August 26, 2024, 06:35:12I'm here since the very beginning. Unfortunately this site has become a joke lately..
Even my 7940HS achieves 2880 points in single thread runs in Geekbench and 13900 in MT. Typical HX370 does 3050-3100 points ST consistently and >14500 MT. I have no idea where are you getting these numbers from.
Some editors are obviously working for Intel nowadays..

Looking at the browser for GB6, the HX 370 scores around 2900 with some variance. Highest I saw it was around 2935. MT though was near the mid 15ks.

Quote from: Uinston Smith on August 26, 2024, 06:35:12I'm here since the very beginning. Unfortunately this site has become a joke lately..
Even my 7940HS achieves 2880 points in single thread runs in Geekbench and 13900 in MT. Typical HX370 does 3050-3100 points ST consistently and >14500 MT. I have no idea where are you getting these numbers from.
Some editors are obviously working for Intel nowadays..

But you forgot LN Core Ultra is at 17W, 7940HS is much more (45W)? Lunar Lake is to compete with M3/M4 in clones of MacBook Air. Arrow Lake will be to compete with AMD HS series / M3 Pro/Max and the like.
For everyone it is good Core Ultra to succeed, so customer can buy cheaper, better products...

I'm here since the very beginning. Unfortunately this site has become a joke lately..
Even my 7940HS achieves 2880 points in single thread runs in Geekbench and 13900 in MT. Typical HX370 does 3050-3100 points ST consistently and >14500 MT. I have no idea where are you getting these numbers from.
Some editors are obviously working for Intel nowadays..

trounce
verb
 1.defeat heavily in a contest.

Based on this article it beats AMD by 2% in single core and has 25% less score in multi-core. I hope the new Intel chips are competitive as Intel and AMD competing is good for us consumers. But the title is incredibly clickbaity.