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Posted by --N_i--k_o+++-B--
 - Today at 13:40:26
With 99.999% certainty, the person writing under this nickname and trying to insult me, the real Niko B, is an employee of this corrupt company called notebookcheck.

The calculation of these would-be journalists-whores for money is on illiterate ordinary stupid ordinary people who do not have critical thinking and a broad outlook.
Posted by --N_i--k_o+++-B--
 - Today at 13:37:15
Quote from: Bizarro NikoB on Today at 09:18:27Just picked this up at Best Buy on an early black Friday deal for $1300 to replace my Thinkpad P1 amd outside a few little things, its pretty nice, well built, gets amazing battery life, and the factory calibrated display is 0.44 delta E. Keyboard is on par with my Thinkpad.

Definitely happy with the purchase. No ragrets! Lol
Don't lie little liar teenager with stolen nickname, you can't buy anything, only your mother...
Posted by Bizarro NikoB
 - Today at 09:18:27
Just picked this up at Best Buy on an early black Friday deal for $1300 to replace my Thinkpad P1 amd outside a few little things, its pretty nice, well built, gets amazing battery life, and the factory calibrated display is 0.44 delta E. Keyboard is on par with my Thinkpad.

Definitely happy with the purchase. No ragrets! Lol
Posted by Harrykonstantinos
 - August 12, 2024, 19:28:23
Great Review... but anyone else wondering what the point of this laptop is? I'm an artists and will invest in a good convertible, but for the last few years there's been nothing with decent GPU without major concessions (usually intel cpus tbh, like the surface studio's i7-11370H... remember that absolute mess!?).

I mean, strix halo is coming, which will make this cpu/gpu setup redundant. Integrated mega gpu's are the future, sharing 64gb of ram, basically M3 max on windows, canny wait for them foldy badboys.... if they bother making them. Though it looks like the OEM's are well on this AMD new hardware bandwagon, so hopefully.

So, most us nerdz know this is gonna be a hotter, louder and less efficient machine compared to devices coming in a few months, and those who don't are gonna feel mighty peeved after buying these, right?
Posted by WaitingForA16
 - August 08, 2024, 15:34:38
Thanks for the review,
Cant wait to see one for the new tuf a16

Not that I can buy any in my region, but still hope to buy the 4060,32gb, fhd version
Posted by Goberman
 - August 08, 2024, 11:39:08
Quote from: ArsLoginName on August 08, 2024, 03:12:39Efficiency = the rate of useful work performed by a machine or in a process to the total energy expended/consumed.
Quote from: Goberman on August 08, 2024, 01:39:58Let me explain it to you like you are a child.
AMD CHEATED! AMD CUT CPU PERFORMANCE IN HALF AND GOT A FAKEY BATTERY LIFE NUMBER WHILE DOING ONLY HALF THE WORK! IF YOU PUT YOUR MACBOOK INTO LOW POWER MODE MANUALLY YOU WILL GET EVEN MORE!
Posted by ignoramushiller
 - August 08, 2024, 11:29:57
With the amount of telemetry in modern windows these days, think it'll be hard to for any pc match macs in battery life. Wendell said in a video fairly recently about how he got better battery life under tweaked Linux than on windows on his Ryzen APU laptop.

Also doesn't help that AMD just isn't as vertically integrated as Apple yet, which I don't expect to see m1 level efficiency until zen 6 in 2027.

Apple's efficiency on lightly threaded workloads is truely impressive not quite sure how they do it.

Nice to see you back in good health, "lmao" !
Posted by ArsLoginName
 - August 08, 2024, 03:12:39
Thanks. I know how to read and I know NBC's testing methodology well. Just like it says above: "In the Wi-Fi test at 150 cd/m² ..."

Why are you laughing? You seem to have left the word "efficiency" out. Nothing like mis-quoting.

Efficiency = the rate of useful work performed by a machine or in a process to the total energy expended/consumed.

There. I helped you back. Now you know what efficiency means. Applying this definition to a user gives  how many minutes a user gets to perform a task like using their notebook to do emails or shop online per unit battery capacity consumed.  Just like miles per gallon - which neither are measured under full loads but only under light loads.


Quote from: Goberman on August 08, 2024, 01:56:36I've even took my time to find you their web browsing test, my non-ignorant friend.
www.notebookcheck.com/nbcbattery/index.php


Still laughing at "wifi test is wifi use per Whr battery", you've made my day.
Posted by ArsLoginName
 - August 08, 2024, 02:52:32
Quote from: Goberman on August 08, 2024, 01:46:20used a message just to throw s*** my way? You ran out of arguments this much already? Just admit you were wrong, be a grown man.

LOL. Name calling and swearing still? Clearly shows who is upset, mad, and trying to deflect. Again. Psych 101/Philosophy 101. Well not really. Your local community college might have it under a different number. Take it sometime. You might learn something about yourself. But it's clear you think highly of yourself by using words like 'destroyed' when you weren't even doing the correct calculation for wi-fi efficiency.

Quote from: ArsLoginName on August 08, 2024, 01:42:42Oh same bullshit again, I've beat you exclusively using NBC reviews data.

You haven't beat anything. Are you delusional much? If so, seek help. Honest. The math I am doing is not hard.

Deja vu.  Haven't I just explained you what "wifi" test is? It's barely using "wifi", lol.

Notebookcheck explains their wi-fi test efficiency almost every time. If not, they have an entire page to their testing procedures. Clearly states screen at 150 cd. Time to go from battery full to empty running the same wi-fi script. Simple math to determine system level wi-fi efficiency - which MacBooks can lose to x86 on an inferior processing node.

So let's see..so far I'm ignorant 6 or 7 times....But I do know how to read and comprehend NBC's wi-fi battery test to determine system level efficiency. But again, people buy a complete notebook not just a screen or a processor or a wi-fi chip. The pieces all come together to form a system and MB M3/M2 Pro's aren't superior in wi-fi efficiency. They just have always used larger capacity batteries and been a node ahead compared to x86 until recently for battery sizes. Soon there will be node parity with Intel's Lunar Lake on N3B.



Posted by Goberman
 - August 08, 2024, 01:56:36
I've even took my time to find you their web browsing test, my non-ignorant friend.
www.notebookcheck.com/nbcbattery/index.php

Just run on idle machine and wait, it keeps a log of how much time passed at the top of the screen. It is not a heavy load by all means but once in a while it pops a Kraken javascript benchmark. Have fun.

Still laughing at "wifi test is wifi use per Whr battery", you've made my day.
Posted by Goberman
 - August 08, 2024, 01:46:20
Quote from: ArsLoginName on August 08, 2024, 01:42:42Name calling is #1 method people uses to deflect and attack when they lose. Psych 101.  They also use that technique so they don't have to answer the question. Other techniques include name-calling and calling the other person a cheater or liar. Your posts clearly show you said Notebookcheck's data are lies/misleading when used by others and you insinuated only you know how to interest them correctly.
used a message just to throw s*** my way? You ran out of arguments this much already? Just admit you were wrong, be a grown man.
Quote from: ArsLoginName on August 08, 2024, 01:42:42Your posts clearly show you said Notebookcheck's data are lies/misleading
Oh same bullshit again, I've beat you exclusively using NBC reviews data.

Quote from: ArsLoginName on August 08, 2024, 01:42:42Efficiency = miles per gallon for autos (Miles driven divided by fuel used including up to the entire fuel tank). Wi-fi efficiency for a notebook = minutes of wi-fi use per Whr of battery used which includes up to the entire battery capacity.
Deja vu. Haven't I just explained you what "wifi" test is? It's barely using "wifi", lol.
Posted by ArsLoginName
 - August 08, 2024, 01:42:42
Quote from: Goberman on August 08, 2024, 01:28:16Bullshit btw, I've operated on data from this review all the time. Lying about opponent is an argument of a loser. Not surprised though.

That is you. Name calling is #1 method people uses to deflect and attack when they lose. Psych 101. They also use that technique so they don't have to answer the question. Other techniques include name-calling and calling the other person a cheater or liar. Your posts clearly show you said Notebookcheck's data are lies/misleading when used by others and you insinuated only you know how to interest them correctly.

Efficiency = miles per gallon for autos (Miles driven divided by fuel used including up to the entire fuel tank). Wi-fi efficiency for a notebook = minutes of wi-fi use per Whr of battery used which includes up to the entire battery capacity.

Posted by Goberman
 - August 08, 2024, 01:39:58
Quote from: ArsLoginName on August 08, 2024, 01:32:34Never did I say anything about maximum power consumption
You still don't understand, right? Let me explain it to you like you are a child.
AMD CHEATED! AMD CUT CPU PERFORMANCE IN HALF AND GOT A FAKEY BATTERY LIFE NUMBER WHILE DOING ONLY HALF THE WORK! IF YOU PUT YOUR MACBOOK INTO LOW POWER MODE MANUALLY YOU WILL GET EVEN MORE!

Quote from: ArsLoginName on August 08, 2024, 01:32:34Wi-fi minutes of run time at screen brightness of 150 cd/ battery capacity = wi-fi efficiency
So you also don't know how "wifi" test is performed, my non-ignorant friend. They have a script that loads different web pages once in a while, maybe once in 30 seconds or a minute, i don't remember. Those pages are heavy on javascript and animations, one of them IS even a javascript benchmark. If it not wifi, it's web browsing test. You can even google up the link to the test itself, it's public and I use it on my machines too.

So just as I said, you are doing random math on data you can't even interpret properly.

This is getting ridiculous.
Posted by ArsLoginName
 - August 08, 2024, 01:32:34
Quote from: Goberman on August 08, 2024, 01:16:36If you really want me to destroy your conspiracy theories, I can do it with one sentence.
90Wh/112minutes*60 = 46.55W.
You didn't know all this because you are ignorant .....

Apparently you think you know the definition of "efficiency" and "ignorant." But this calculation shows you do not. What you have just shown is that a Lamborghini gets worse fuel efficiency than a Prius and can burn through a tank of gas faster.

Never did I say anything about maximum power consumption. But you moved the goal posts again.

NBC makes it easy. Wi-fi minutes of run time at screen brightness of 150 cd/ battery capacity = wi-fi efficiency which is just 1 measure of overall platform efficiency.
Posted by Goberman
 - August 08, 2024, 01:28:16
Quote from: ArsLoginName on August 08, 2024, 01:21:08you are also telling Notebookcheck their testing is flawed and all their data points and tests are lies
Bullshit btw, I've operated on data from this review all the time. Lying about opponent is an argument of a loser. Not surprised though.