Quote from: indy on August 13, 2024, 18:29:22You do realize there are tens of thousands of applications beyond Photoshop

Are you yet another guy who requires "tens of thousands of applications" but in reality is using only Chrome and Office?

Quote from: dofr on August 13, 2024, 12:57:48

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 13, 2024, 06:06:26"WIN-on-ARM" has been around for HOW LONG?

"Being around" means nothing without hardware.

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 13, 2024, 06:06:26And in all this time just how many professional applications have been moved over?

Like half of them? The most important ones (Photoshop/Lightroom/Office/VS/DaVinci/Wondershare) are already on the platform? Most of the rest are working via emulation? Even if emulation is 2x slower than native, it's still about the level of M1 performance on X Elite.

You do realize there are tens of thousands of applications beyond Photoshop, correct?

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 13, 2024, 06:06:26"WIN-on-ARM" has been around for HOW LONG?

"Being around" means nothing without hardware.

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 13, 2024, 06:06:26And in all this time just how many professional applications have been moved over?

Like half of them? The most important ones (Photoshop/Lightroom/Office/VS/DaVinci/Wondershare) are already on the platform? Most of the rest are working via emulation? Even if emulation is 2x slower than native, it's still about the level of M1 performance on X Elite.

Quote from: dvsdv on August 11, 2024, 16:50:33

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 10, 2024, 23:18:50- limited use
- limited compatibility
- limited (soon!) cost

Don't be stupid. These problems are heavily exaggerated by competitior's marketing. Everything you need works and is native. Everything that's not native will be there in 1-3 years.
Windows/x86 is a slow ecosystem, it took them 3 years and 2.5 windows versions to move all apps from win32 to win64.

*sigh*

"WIN-on-ARM" has been around for HOW LONG? And in all this time just how many professional applications have been moved over?

Granted, Apple's CPU conversion went fairly ok as we don't hear of endless grips of applications NOT running on their M series APU's.

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 10, 2024, 23:18:50- limited use
- limited compatibility
- limited (soon!) cost

Don't be stupid. These problems are heavily exaggerated by competitior's marketing. Everything you need works and is native. Everything that's not native will be there in 1-3 years.
Windows/x86 is a slow ecosystem, it took them 3 years and 2.5 windows versions to move all apps from win32 to win64.

Quote from: naik on August 09, 2024, 17:51:12I have hard time making sense of the power numbers. It shows, 4.5 watts as average idle power. so by definition a 55WH battery at idle should last 12 hrs. Then can you explain the battery life numbers of over 20-25 hrs??. What am I missing here? is the laptop being put to sleep between the tasks to that test intermittent load. Is the physics broken here?

Power measurements are done on wall socket in Performance mode, battery life measurements are done on Battery in some of Windows base low power modes.

Quote from: NikoB (shame NB moders) on August 09, 2024, 14:45:49

Quote from: werwtt on August 09, 2024, 10:32:10Problem is Windows itself, it's so bad now only gamers and technically illiterate use it. First category specifically gets x86 and second just grabs first available laptop they get recommended.

And that's why the share of desktop Windows is more than 80%? =) And Linux is used only by red-eyed geeks who have nowhere to spend their personal time - it's free and endless for them?

Desktop?  You mean the technology that was used in the 80s and 90s?
More than 60% of ALL operating systems for computing devices use the Linux kernel.
Even higher if you count *nix.

IMHO: Win on ARM is simply a CHROME device alternate.

- limited use
- limited compatibility
- limited (soon!) cost

Most professional software applications are compiled to run on x86 and WIN.

Granted there are some exceptions as well as some (many?) could/might be able to recompile for ARM however without a large enough user base asking (demanding?) it, it will never happen.

I have hard time making sense of the power numbers. It shows, 4.5 watts as average idle power. so by definition a 55WH battery at idle should last 12 hrs. Then can you explain the battery life numbers of over 20-25 hrs??. What am I missing here? is the laptop being put to sleep between the tasks to that test intermittent load. Is the physics broken here?

Quote from: NikoB (shame NB moders) on August 09, 2024, 14:45:49And that's why the share of desktop Windows is more than 80%? =)

There's a lot of tech illiterate like you, who can't install linux or break it in 3 hours and have no money on apple.
Funny guy, linux is in your phone and even your vacuum cleaner is running a thinned-down ubuntu.

Quote from: werwtt on August 09, 2024, 10:32:10Problem is Windows itself, it's so bad now only gamers and technically illiterate use it. First category specifically gets x86 and second just grabs first available laptop they get recommended.

And that's why the share of desktop Windows is more than 80%? =) And Linux is used only by red-eyed geeks who have nowhere to spend their personal time - it's free and endless for them?

Quote from: indy on August 08, 2024, 19:26:25If you think OEMs are going to work towards getting compatibility for niche markets en masse...

Problem is not OEMs, rebuilding for native Windows ARM is in most cases just pressing a button.
Problem is Windows itself, it's so bad now only gamers and technically illiterate use it. First category specifically gets x86 and second just grabs first available laptop they get recommended.

These laptops are already seeing massive drops in price. Probably not selling as well as they thought. So: no users= not worth it.

If you think OEMs are going to work towards getting compatibility for niche markets en masse... They aren't. They've had windows on arm for 10+ years now and the current state is pretty abyssmal.

Quote from: Results45 on August 07, 2024, 09:13:4726.4 hours or 1,575 minutes of "light browsing" on only 55Wh (15% longer on a 5% smaller battery than in the T14s G6) is very notable. Meanwhile the T14s Gen 6 lasts 23 hours

The fact both laptops with enormously high runtimes have 1920x1200 screens in review doesn't ring a bell about the nature of this power consumption?

QuoteSomething worth mentioning about this panel is its relatively high minimum brightness level of 49 nits which is something we noticed on our Core i7 model as well. In comparison, the displays on most other laptops would typically reach 15 nits or dimmer when on the minimum brightness setting. The higher brightness floor of the Dell may be more likely to cause eyestrain if viewing in dark environments. This potential issue is not present on the OLED configuration which can reach much dimmer brightness levels.

I seriously doubt that your eyes will thank you for the flickering 60-250Hz AMOLED, even at a lower brightness. As a result, we exchange the "awl" for "soap"...

The weight of the laptop is too much, especially with a power supply for 13.4".

The keyboard is simply inoperative in all respects.

And here we come to the main thing - this is actually a tablet (working with a screen in the near zone for the eyes is always) with some not very large ability to print text and enter data. But if this is a tablet - then where is the touch screen and ppi above 300? They are not there.

It turns out to be some kind of crap, it is not clear for whom. The text quality will definitely be disgusting even on IPS with such a low ppi, especially in Chrome with muddy fonts due to incorrect black and white anti-aliasing.

Too heavy, a bad screen without touch, which is needed here first of all. This is neither a laptop nor a tablet - but a bad mixture of both...

The other aspects simply do not make sense to discuss against the background of such obvious architectural blunders.