Quote from: Goberman on August 12, 2024, 08:32:28Probability of ICE on ICE accident is much higher that accident involving EV because of their much much higher numbers.

The numbers factor in cars on the road, nice try.

QuotePointless question just to go away from inconvenient fact.

If you are not doing a stable test, then variations can simply be driving habit. You know, the scientific method.

QuoteA vs. chemistry.

You think puncturing metal causes a fire? lol, learn basic chemistry first

QuoteYeah imagine "lasting a week" when you sit in your car that was just resting outside for 2-3 days and it's at 15% despite last time it was fully charged.

Resting your care for 2-3 days isn't going to discharge it to 15%. An EV while fully running the heater can last 3 days let alone doing nothing

QuoteNorway also makes 30% off oil and gas.

You seem to be mistaking something. Norway's oil and gas funding goes towards the people of Norway. They are the only major oil and gas producer who was pushing heavily for transitioning off. Unlike the middle east oil countries who used the convention to get off oil and gas as an opportunity to do deals to sell more oil and gas

Quote from: Wade on August 12, 2024, 17:37:04Yeah it's a BS made up stat. I'm 54 and also have never had my car catch on fire and have even been in around 10 cars that were totalled in my life.

I also have saw very few other ice cars catch fire on the highway or anywhere.

Usually if an ice car catches fire it's because someone did something dumb.

Also, no my ice car isn't going to catch on fire because someone is smoking a cigarette. If that was true half the pump's in town would burn down every day everywhere.

Statistics are like that. I've owned a smartphone for 20 years, and not me or anyone in my family have ever cracked a screen despite multiple drops. Can we now claim cracked smartphone screens aren't real?

You will always have more fires be it ICE or EV when someone does something dumb. You will also have cases of bad luck, be it manufacturer defect, poor design choices that were fine in testing but caused an issue in an off case scenario and etc.

It gets even more complex when people will never admit they did something dumb, and media only reports on the first response but never on the final investigation results

That said, in US alone, there is an ICE car catching on fire every ~5 minutes. That is the reality.

Where's the plug coming out of the charge port then....  Fake news

Quote from: Bob Lee on August 12, 2024, 19:28:37actually should be per billion miles if you check the source link

So it's a difference between 0.000000007 and 0.000000063 probability.
Shiiiiieeeet, that's a serious argument in favor of EV (no it's not).

Quote from: jimbo on August 07, 2024, 21:11:28only 7 of them catch fire for various reasons. For comparison, ICE cars ignite nearly 9 times times more often on average.

Not considering there's 14x more ICE cars on the road. And some of them are 30yrs old w/unsafe/unmaintained mechanicals.

Both stats are per million miles driven (actually should be per billion miles if you check the source link. 7 EV and 63 ICE is too many per million miles) It has nothing to do with which one has more on the road.

Quote from: Russ on August 09, 2024, 02:23:16"Tesla shared the stats that for each million miles driven with its electric cars, only 7 of them catch fire for various reasons. For comparison, ICE cars ignite nearly 9 times times more often on average."
So 1,000,000/7=142,857/9=20,408. So Tesla's on average catch fire every 143k miles, and ICE cars catch fire every 20k miles?  Weird I have driven ICE cars about 1 million miles in my 45 years of driving and are yet to have my first fire when I should have had 40+ fires...
I suspect those stats are per 100 MILLION miles?  Very sloppy...

If you check the source link, it says 7 per BILLION not million. A typo here.

Quote from: Wade on August 12, 2024, 17:37:04

Quote from: Russ on August 09, 2024, 02:23:16"Tesla shared the stats that for each million miles driven with its electric cars, only 7 of them catch fire for various reasons. For comparison, ICE cars ignite nearly 9 times times more often on average."
So 1,000,000/7=142,857/9=20,408. So Tesla's on average catch fire every 143k miles, and ICE cars catch fire every 20k miles?  Weird I have driven ICE cars about 1 million miles in my 45 years of driving and are yet to have my first fire when I should have had 40+ fires...
I suspect those stats are per 100 MILLION miles?  Very sloppy...

Yeah it's a BS made up stat. I'm 54 and also have never had my car catch on fire and have even been in around 10 cars that were totalled in my life.

I also have saw very few other ice cars catch fire on the highway or anywhere.

Usually if an ice car catches fire it's because someone did something dumb.

Also, no my ice car isn't going to catch on fire because someone is smoking a cigarette. If that was true half the pump's in town would burn down every day everywhere.

If you check the source link, it says 7 per BILLION not million. A typo here.

Quote from: Russ on August 09, 2024, 02:23:16"Tesla shared the stats that for each million miles driven with its electric cars, only 7 of them catch fire for various reasons. For comparison, ICE cars ignite nearly 9 times times more often on average."
So 1,000,000/7=142,857/9=20,408. So Tesla's on average catch fire every 143k miles, and ICE cars catch fire every 20k miles?  Weird I have driven ICE cars about 1 million miles in my 45 years of driving and are yet to have my first fire when I should have had 40+ fires...
I suspect those stats are per 100 MILLION miles?  Very sloppy...

Yeah it's a BS made up stat. I'm 54 and also have never had my car catch on fire and have even been in around 10 cars that were totalled in my life.

I also have saw very few other ice cars catch fire on the highway or anywhere.

Usually if an ice car catches fire it's because someone did something dumb.

Also, no my ice car isn't going to catch on fire because someone is smoking a cigarette. If that was true half the pump's in town would burn down every day everywhere.

Sounds like an illegal electrical connection at a house on fire not the car. Clickbait

Quote from: A on August 09, 2024, 02:48:56If you count the cars on the road and factor that in EVs still ~10x less likely to catch on fire.

Probability of ICE on ICE accident is much higher that accident involving EV because of their much much higher numbers.

Quote from: A on August 09, 2024, 02:48:56So not on a dynamo to insure that you have no variables?

Pointless question just to go away from inconvenient fact.

Quote from: A on August 09, 2024, 02:48:56just puncturing the battery alone will not start a fire

A vs. chemistry.

Quote from: A on August 09, 2024, 02:48:56I don't need to charge my EV every day. I do it out of convenience of trickle charging

Lol

Quote from: A on August 09, 2024, 02:48:56but it can easily last a week on a single charge hot or cold

Yeah imagine "lasting a week" when you sit in your car that was just resting outside for 2-3 days and it's at 15% despite last time it was fully charged.

Quote from: A on August 09, 2024, 02:48:56You are saying a country where almost half of government's income being oil and gas, EVs are not popular?

Norway also makes 30% off oil and gas.

Your arguments are getting weaker and weaker.

6x more likely. Fuel cars are 60x more likely to catch fire. While yes they are harder to put out with improper equipment. Places are implementing the new electric extinguishers across the country.

You think 20 gallons of fuel just gets put out with water? Both have complications. Ignorant new writer. Hopefully they see this and never utilize your content again. :)

"People burn down their own home after illegally wiring Tesla to a power pole for free electricity"
There, fixed your title and opener. Wild that journalists dismiss grammar; your high school English teacher is so disappointed

What a stupid article

Quote from: Goberman on August 08, 2024, 11:49:43And you are also skewing data again for dramatic effect, it's just because there's much more ICE cars. And it's mostly not in car accidents.

If you count the cars on the road and factor that in EVs still ~10x less likely to catch on fire.

QuoteOn a range measurement vs. calculated from car data.

So not on a dynamo to insure that you have no variables?

QuoteBecause they catch fire in every accident with battery puncture? Or you will be going against chemistry?

That is false, you have to puncture a battery cell, just puncturing the battery alone will not start a fire. As I said, batteries have crumple zones and deflectors that reduce risk of puncture of the cells. In comparison, ICE cars gasoline tanks and engines are much easier to puncture and can cause a fire

QuoteExtremely significant to the point you have to charge you car every day in hot or cold weather. Have you had an EV?

I live in a place that can get over 100 degrees and also very cold below 0. I don't need to charge my EV every day. I do it out of convenience of trickle charging, but it can easily last a week on a single charge hot or cold

Quote40-50C common temps, hot weather all year long. There is a reason why EVs are not popular in rich UAE/Dubai markets.

You are saying a country where almost half of government's income being oil and gas, EVs are not popular?

"Tesla shared the stats that for each million miles driven with its electric cars, only 7 of them catch fire for various reasons. For comparison, ICE cars ignite nearly 9 times times more often on average."
So 1,000,000/7=142,857/9=20,408. So Tesla's on average catch fire every 143k miles, and ICE cars catch fire every 20k miles?  Weird I have driven ICE cars about 1 million miles in my 45 years of driving and are yet to have my first fire when I should have had 40+ fires...
I suspect those stats are per 100 MILLION miles?  Very sloppy...

Quote from: A on August 08, 2024, 05:37:24In US alone, every 5 minutes an ICE car catches on fire.

And you are also skewing data again for dramatic effect, it's just because there's much more ICE cars. And it's mostly not in car accidents.

Quote from: A on August 08, 2024, 05:37:24Based on what do you say they have a 4% battery loss but 10% range loss?

On a range measurement vs. calculated from car data.

Quote from: A on August 08, 2024, 05:37:24An EV catches on fire anywhere in the world for any reason, guarantee you it will make the world news.

Because they catch fire in every accident with battery puncture? Or you will be going against chemistry?

Quote from: A on August 08, 2024, 05:37:24Not significant.

Extremely significant to the point you have to charge you car every day in hot or cold weather. Have you had an EV?

Quote from: A on August 08, 2024, 05:37:24What?

40-50C common temps, hot weather all year long. There is a reason why EVs are not popular in rich UAE/Dubai markets.