Quote from: Real NikoB (old bl) on August 06, 2024, 14:37:00Tests of a laptop with Zen 5 AI 9 370 at 80W PL1 showed the absolute superiority of Zen4 45 series with the most outdated technical process.

Zen5 Strix Point scales very poorly in performance with increasing consumption for typical values ����of the HX series of previous generations.

Those. To categorically state that the current available Zen5 Strix Point is faster than "Zen4" is technical illiteracy. If it is faster than both series, it will only be in the Strix Halo version with a TDP of 70W (which is 16W more than the previous HX series and which clearly shows that the Zen5 Halo cores provide virtually no real performance increase compared to the Zen4 series), which shamefully AMD is delayed...

Strix Point is supposed to compete against Zen4 40, not Zen4 45.
It's Fire Range that's supposed to compete against Zen4 45.

As always: get your facts straight, and stop trolling.

Quote from: usacomputer on August 05, 2024, 17:51:34What is clear is that Zen 5 outperforms Zen 4 by more than 30%, impressive data that confirm AMD's good work.

Tests of a laptop with Zen 5 AI 9 370 at 80W PL1 showed the absolute superiority of Zen4 45 series with the most outdated technical process.

Zen5 Strix Point scales very poorly in performance with increasing consumption for typical values ����of the HX series of previous generations.

Those. To categorically state that the current available Zen5 Strix Point is faster than "Zen4" is technical illiteracy. If it is faster than both series, it will only be in the Strix Halo version with a TDP of 70W (which is 16W more than the previous HX series and which clearly shows that the Zen5 Halo cores provide virtually no real performance increase compared to the Zen4 series), which shamefully AMD is delayed...

Quote from: ikek on August 05, 2024, 23:10:11I honestly think people (read: Gamers and overclocking nerds) are making this problem more overblown than what really is.

People are blaming Intel for all this chaos, yet, I haven't seen neither Dell/Lenovo/HP getting mass reports from their business lineups desktops that are used by IT folks due to this issue yet, and for a reason: they probably stick to what Intel mandates and call it a day. They dont apply random voltages to catch higher numbers.

I'm running my i5-13600k on stock values on an Asrock Motherboard Z690 set to Intel default values since I set it up, and no issues so far, and I build it more than a year ago. No weird stutters, no high energy consumption, nothing. I had run Cinebench on it, got 20k something points and temps just reaches 95-100c (using air cooler system). The only reason I bought raptor lake was bc I wanted the improved IMC to install DDR5 @ 5600 natively.

I know not everyone will agree with me, but surely this seems more like a bad batch of CPUs that got out rather than all the Raptor Lake arch being bad. Most folks don't even change their motherboards default settings, so by this point in Raptor lake's life, a lot more people would be posting online about issues and whatnot.

It seems that it'll take a few years for issues to arrive on some CPUs, but still... if someone wants a CPU that lasts more than a few years (or doesn't want it to slow down as time go by) then Intel right now is not a good option.

Either way... even if that wasn't an issue, the fact that Intel has terrible efficiency compared to AMD is also a big reason for informed people to avoid Intel.

I honestly think people (read: Gamers and overclocking nerds) are making this problem more overblown than what really is.

People are blaming Intel for all this chaos, yet, I haven't seen neither Dell/Lenovo/HP getting mass reports from their business lineups desktops that are used by IT folks due to this issue yet, and for a reason: they probably stick to what Intel mandates and call it a day. They dont apply random voltages to catch higher numbers.

I'm running my i5-13600k on stock values on an Asrock Motherboard Z690 set to Intel default values since I set it up, and no issues so far, and I build it more than a year ago. No weird stutters, no high energy consumption, nothing. I had run Cinebench on it, got 20k something points and temps just reaches 95-100c (using air cooler system). The only reason I bought raptor lake was bc I wanted the improved IMC to install DDR5 @ 5600 natively.


I know not everyone will agree with me, but surely this seems more like a bad batch of CPUs that got out rather than all the Raptor Lake arch being bad. Most folks don't even change their motherboards default settings, so by this point in Raptor lake's life, a lot more people would be posting online about issues and whatnot.

Quote from: TruthIsThere on August 05, 2024, 19:16:20What I'm trippin' on is, the CMA, FTC, ect. wanted to demonize & FORCEFULLY STOP a gaming acquisition that DOES NOT HINDER ANYONE's LIFESTYLES (and the FTC, today, is still trying to disrupt this segment) ... BuTtT... months... YEARS goes by, but NO so-called "regulator body(s)" has touched this Intel fiasco that we all know that these entities are just aware of the situation as we do and no one is demanding that Pat should be fired too, along with other executives?!

Nah, nothing extremely shady is going on here!!! 😏

Because Congress has stocks in Intel, especially from Solyndra 2.0, pardon, The Infrastructure Bill.

What I'm trippin' on is, the CMA, FTC, ect. wanted to demonize & FORCEFULLY STOP a gaming acquisition that DOES NOT HINDER ANYONE's LIFESTYLES (and the FTC, today, is still trying to disrupt this segment) ... BuTtT... months... YEARS goes by, but NO so-called "regulator body(s)" has touched this Intel fiasco that we all know that these entities are just aware of the situation as we do and no one is demanding that Pat should be fired too, along with other executives?!

Nah, nothing extremely shady is going on here!!! 😏

Between the stability issues affecting the 13th and 14th generation Raptor Lake CPUs, the worrying financial results for the 2024 quarter and at least 15,000 layoffs on the horizon, it is common sense.
In addition, it is rumored that the problems of the Intel Core 13 and 14 may be repeated in the Core 15 since Intel does not know the problem or give the solution if it is due to voltage, oxidation, heating, etc.
It is logical and common sense what is happening; in addition to Intel's continuous heating problems that can now reach 105ºC, we will see what happens. What is clear is that Zen 5 outperforms Zen 4 by more than 30%, impressive data that confirm AMD's good work.

Cherry picked data from two AMD shops.