Quote from: GeorgeS on August 23, 2024, 02:44:32Who cares if it uses more power than modern devices?

Everyone.

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 23, 2024, 02:44:32Who cares how old the APP's are?

Everyone. You can have Office 2013 but you can't have anything real productivity-related from 2013.

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 23, 2024, 02:44:32(unless YOUR a SHEEP!!)

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 23, 2024, 02:44:32lemmings and sheep

There we go, IQ of a typical Windows user

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 23, 2024, 02:44:32True, Firefox may only have a few TAB's active

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 21, 2024, 07:41:26+100 tabs open in Firefox

Lol.

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 23, 2024, 02:44:32Snappy and responsive as the day I bought it

No it's not, even web pages are more computationally expensive today.

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 23, 2024, 02:44:32Swap is ~3GB - who cares?

The story about "using 6.7-7GB" didn't age well. Yeah, who cares about running on hard drive instead of RAM in the conversation about "snappy and responsive".

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 23, 2024, 02:44:32I DO HAVE a 2019 version with i7/16GB/512GB but can't stand the keyboard so it boxed up

Are you some kind of hoarder

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 23, 2024, 02:44:32Newer is NOT always better or even needed.

Yeah right. Thanks for your opinion, it's very important to us.

Quote from: wondows on August 21, 2024, 09:26:56Let me quickly translate

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 21, 2024, 07:41:26My current everyday system

"Hi guys I am running a system that is 3 times less powerful than a phone for 7-10 times more energy used just so I have something to say on the internets"

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 21, 2024, 07:41:26- 6.8-7GB of memory used

"And swap"

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 21, 2024, 07:41:26%10-15 CPU load, %90-95 Idle

"I don't even move the mouse"

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 21, 2024, 07:41:26+100 tabs open in Firefox

"Only couple are actually loaded, without heavy animations and javascript."

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 21, 2024, 07:41:26Not at all 'laggy'.

"Laggy as crap compared to anything modern"

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 21, 2024, 07:41:2610 applications open

"Apps are from 2008"

LOL!! Your funny!!!

- Who cares if it uses more power than modern devices?
- Who cares how old the APP's are? If they work why replace them? (unless YOUR a SHEEP!!)
- True, Firefox may only have a few TAB's active - as ANY browser ought to. :)
- Snappy and responsive as the day I bought it.
- Swap is ~3GB - who cares? (it is PCIe SSD LONG before anybody else was doing that)

So while the lemmings and sheep keep ditching their perfectly functional devices because "something new and shinny!!!" is available, those of us that match the tool for the job spend our CHEC (cold hard earned cash) on other items.

I should mention that I DO HAVE a 2019 version with i7/16GB/512GB but can't stand the keyboard so it boxed up and collects dust on a shelf in the closet.

Newer is NOT always better or even needed.

Let me quickly translate

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 21, 2024, 07:41:26My current everyday system

"Hi guys I am running a system that is 3 times less powerful than a phone for 7-10 times more energy used just so I have something to say on the internets"

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 21, 2024, 07:41:26- 6.8-7GB of memory used

"And swap"

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 21, 2024, 07:41:26%10-15 CPU load, %90-95 Idle

"I don't even move the mouse"

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 21, 2024, 07:41:26+100 tabs open in Firefox

"Only couple are actually loaded, without heavy animations and javascript."

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 21, 2024, 07:41:26Not at all 'laggy'.

"Laggy as crap compared to anything modern"

Quote from: GeorgeS on August 21, 2024, 07:41:2610 applications open

"Apps are from 2008"

Quote from: A on August 16, 2024, 04:02:29

Quote from: N--B on August 12, 2024, 20:37:43

Quote from: A on August 06, 2024, 04:36:36Since I am typing this currently from a laptop with 4th gen intel processor and don't have a lag fest.

It is 100% lie.

I am literally on it right now, it is funny you think my personal experience isn't real when I am literally on it right now. If I were running windows it may be a lagfest, but I am running linux

My current everyday system is a 2013 13" MBP with 2.4 GHz Core i5 (I5-4258U) (this is a Dual Core folks)

- 8GB of memory, 256GB of SSD (87GB available)
- +100 tabs open in Firefox
- 6.8-7GB of memory used
- 2118 threads, 289 processes
- %10-15 CPU load, %90-95 Idle
- 10 applications open

Not at all 'laggy'.

Obviously YMMV.

Quote from: A on August 20, 2024, 21:10:32Not as good as many low end laptops skimp on stuff like displays, touchpads, keyboards and etc

Quote from: A on August 20, 2024, 21:10:32Better than the N100

Quote from: A on August 20, 2024, 21:10:32Most people just use their PC for a web browser or basic stuff.

Answer is "no" to all three.

Quote from: sdvsdv on August 19, 2024, 10:09:54There's N100 laptops too.

Not as good as many low end laptops skimp on stuff like displays, touchpads, keyboards and etc

QuoteLike your 4600u can saturate any good GPU.

Better than the N100

QuoteYou are underestimating people.

Most people just use their PC for a web browser or basic stuff.

Quote from: A on August 19, 2024, 03:44:28I have a laptop though

There's N100 laptops too.

Quote from: A on August 19, 2024, 03:44:28And N100 has weak gpu

Like your 4600u can saturate any good GPU.

Quote from: A on August 19, 2024, 03:44:28It is more than what 90% of people do on computers outside of gaming.

You are underestimating people.

Quote from: sdvsdv on August 18, 2024, 01:48:28There's always N100 SBCs like Radxa X4 if you are so focused on battling $60 SBCs for every geekbench point. It will even be an upgrade.

I have a laptop though, a SBC can't replace a laptop. And N100 has weak gpu

QuoteSo basic text editing as expected.

Quote from: A on August 18, 2024, 01:15:25I have 311 tabs open in chromium and 127 tabs open in firefox

Number doesn't matter, 99% of them are unloaded.

Quote from: A on August 18, 2024, 01:15:25I have 311 tabs open in chromium and 127 tabs open in firefox, LibreOffice, Thunderbird, pidgin, vscode, kate and filezilla all running

This stack is very light, I could run it on phone/tablet.

It is more than what 90% of people do on computers outside of gaming.

Quote from: A on August 18, 2024, 01:15:25but much better single core performance

There's always N100 SBCs like Radxa X4 if you are so focused on battling $60 SBCs for every geekbench point. It will even be an upgrade.

Quote from: A on August 18, 2024, 01:15:25My workflow on this computer is mostly web development

So basic text editing as expected.

Quote from: A on August 18, 2024, 01:15:25I have 311 tabs open in chromium and 127 tabs open in firefox

Number doesn't matter, 99% of them are unloaded.

Quote from: A on August 18, 2024, 01:15:25I have 311 tabs open in chromium and 127 tabs open in firefox, LibreOffice, Thunderbird, pidgin, vscode, kate and filezilla all running

This stack is very light, I could run it on phone/tablet.

Quote from: sdvsdv on August 17, 2024, 12:07:28

Quote from: A on August 17, 2024, 03:53:094600u

You are proudly running a Raspberry Pi 5 with more power consumption (and desk space).

The 4600u has only similar multicore performance, but much better single core performance. Which means I have slightly better in terms of cpu. And my gpu is much better, even more so since I have a dgpu

Quote from: lol on August 17, 2024, 12:43:11And of course 4600u is laggy, even in Linux. If you don't see it then your workloads are very basic.

My workflow on this computer is mostly web development which while not heavy since I am not compiling on this computer, but it isn't lean either and more than most people use their PC. I have 311 tabs open in chromium and 127 tabs open in firefox, LibreOffice, Thunderbird, pidgin, vscode, kate and filezilla all running

And of course 4600u is laggy, even in Linux. If you don't see it then your workloads are very basic.

Quote from: A on August 17, 2024, 03:53:094600u

You are proudly running a Raspberry Pi 5 with more power consumption (and desk space).

Quote from: sdvsdv on August 16, 2024, 18:55:14

Quote from: A on August 16, 2024, 04:02:29but I am running linux

Linux what, there's a countless number of Linux and DE.
And what CPU exactly.

4600u, Linux Mint MATE

Quote from: A on August 16, 2024, 04:02:29but I am running linux

Linux what, there's a countless number of Linux and DE.
And what CPU exactly.

Quote from: N--B on August 12, 2024, 20:37:43

Quote from: A on August 06, 2024, 04:36:36Since I am typing this currently from a laptop with 4th gen intel processor and don't have a lag fest.

It is 100% lie.

I am literally on it right now, it is funny you think my personal experience isn't real when I am literally on it right now. If I were running windows it may be a lagfest, but I am running linux

Quote from: ADA on August 14, 2024, 06:38:31My old machine with an i7-10870H and 16GB ram is anaemic and I got it early 2022.

It couldn't cope on battery power with 10-15 tabs, WSL, a docker container, VSCode and YouTube in the background without being visibly slow and that meant plenty of lags and occasional freezes. It got better when plugged in, with lots of heat and fan noise but even then it would lag heavily with a few more tabs/Youtube videos idle in the background.

I'd be lucky if the battery lasted more than a few hours (and I'd replaced it myself).

My new X Elite machine almost never has fans that kicks in, it's cool and isn't ever slow.

The gap in efficiency is enormous. Intel's P cores aren't actually power efficient. They're area efficient, meaning that they take less space on the die, allowing them to fit more cores.

H processors are high power consumption and more performance. So those will always eat quite a bit more battery than the U processor made for low power

Also, P cores are performance cores, the power saving cores are E cores.

We will see in September how they compare