This is the #2 thinnest laptop on the market with the #1 coolest finish and logo to let you show it off.  Consequently, there are compromises. 

It's so thin because it tries to radiate all the heat vertically and it has very tiny, very spindly fans to save energy.  It has a very hard limit of 34w and many reviewers can't even figure out how to set it above 28w.  As a result, the 890m and/or 880m are badly gimped by about 15% due to power and cooling limits.  So the 880m performs like the Z1 extreme (780m) GPU while sipping power, driving a spectacular 3k OLED display, at 2/3rds the watts.

I realized I needed a laptop mostly for text editing (programming) and some light esports gaming.  I wanted the coolest looking and coolest performing (on my lap) laptop on the market, so i got the hx365 version.  I am through with intel powerpig thighburner laptops, even the new lunacy lake CPUs are only 4 cores 8 threads (**) and we moved beyond that in 2011 didn't we?

You can set the laptop to the efficiency mode and it runs incredibly cool like a snapdragon, although sometimes it glitches / stalls and i assume its the many bugs in windows 11.

(**) One e-core is the equivalent of 1 secondary thread ...

Quote from: MGaama on August 30, 2024, 04:22:44I think this is great laptop.Design and weight is great. But i am worried about overheating. How comportable  is this laptop for office work. How heat is this with avarege work.

I own the Asus S16 365 model now.  802.11b range is a tiny bit limited (maybe 5db less range than most phones or laptops, 10ft less range).  While web browsing the laptop gets warm when i rest it on my stomach, enough that I will put it between my legs to cool the backside for 10m until it cools down again, on balanced mode, no lagginess.  Unfortunately it truly needs the top and bottom in the open air to stay cool.  Fans are never audible.  Not ideal but much much better than my last 2019 intel laptop which was NEVER placed anywhere near my body to avoid skin burns at 165F...

To enhance my Zenbook S16 hx365 my first two purchases are a 2TB Crucial T500 SSD (2x the performance of the p3 plus class 1TB SSD supplied) and a $45 asus 203 Pen #2 on EBay to play around with the touch screen.  Not owning a touch screen before i get in trouble repositioning the display (often scrolling or closing a window) or trying to wipe specs of dirt off the beautiful screen.

I think this is great laptop.Design and weight is great. But i am worried about overheating. How comportable  is this laptop for office work. How heat is this with avarege work.

Quote from: IT amateur on July 29, 2024, 13:13:36

Quote from: lolryzen on July 29, 2024, 00:00:53How can they call it ryzen NINE if it gets completely raped by passively cooled M4 tablet in geekbench.

+1 Have to agree even being an anti-apple / apple hater.

Can't believe how we got here. Apple is light years ahead of BOTH arm and x86. Mentioning x86 vs arm wars no longer matters anymore and is irrelevant.

Basically, Intel went to sleep from 2014 until 2020.  MBAs took over the company, laid off half the VLSI designers in 2014, and literally rebranded everything annually from 5000 - 10000 series - thats all the same pokey useless stuff. 

Apple decided to give Intel the middle finger with ARM.  Google internally (as #5 computer maker on earth) literally hated Intel's guts (trust me i was there) and wanted to switch so desperately and finally began its Ryzen switchover in 2020.

Thats what happens when you let under educated suits run your company into the ground for half a decade ...

It looks like there's a driver issue with the wifi card.
ASUS just released an update for the driver.
Can you update the battery runtime after the update?
The WIFI runtime seems to be too low.

Quote from: Real NikoB (old name bl) on August 01, 2024, 13:56:26In general, when the SoC consumption is less than 10W, other system components become significant factors - the screen, the motherboard with other devices.

NBC measures consumption on wall socket.

Quote from: batury on July 31, 2024, 10:29:34, and yet it gets 20hrs of video playback on battery, which is 3.9W consumption.

There is in reality a pulse load on the SoC, which is extremely dependent on the complexity of the information being processed.

In general, when the SoC consumption is less than 10W, other system components become significant factors - the screen, the motherboard with other devices.

The problem with x86, to their complete shame, is that they cannot even decode 4k@60fps on YouTube in VP9 with a total consumption of the SoC and SoC power supply of less than 5W. This is simply ridiculous against the background of smartphone consumption under the same load...

errr, not "intel" but "x86"

Quote from: Jedy on July 29, 2024, 15:04:08Also, the battery tests are fair, been using the laptop for two days, I get 10+ hours on light use, lol to the guy who says divide that by 2. Only things I don't love about it are mushy keyboard, trackpad could be clickier, and honestly, the bottom of the laptop does get quite hot with medium use, like lots of chrome tabs and videos running. Besides that, everything else good. Surprised display only got 85% while something like a macbook pro gets a 94%

I think by "divide by two" he meant that intel traditionally reduces performance on battery, because according to review on AC this laptop uses avg. 8.5-10W in idle, so on AC power it mathematically can't even idle for 10hrs on 78Wh battery, and yet it gets 20hrs of video playback on battery, which is 3.9W consumption.

Macbooks' displays were rated on "v7" rating and this one is "v8", I think PWM now weights display score down more.

QuotePlease note: We have recently updated our rating system and the results of version 8 are not comparable with the results of version 7. More information is available

And of course igpu suffers greatly compared to dgpu from very slow RAM even in Zen5. You need much more bandwidth or dedicated HBM3/GDDR6 with 256+ bit bus on the SoC crystal for VRAM.

And that's why I've been writing for a long time about the need to sharply increase the bandwidth of the x86 memory system - to service such heavy configurations with 8k monitors and other equipment, the RAM bandwidth has long been above 200 GB / s since 2019, but only now, to the shame of AMD / Intel, we saw boring and slow 100 GB / s with LPDDR5 7500 in Zen5 Strix. And we need 2-3 times more! That's why Zen5 Strix does NOT support DP2.0 / UHBR20 - for this, AMD will release Zen5 Strix Halo with a 256-bit memory controller, although the question is whether the controller efficiency will be around 80% ... Apple, to its shame, failed to ensure the memory controller efficiency even in the region of 40%, with top M3 / M4 with theoretical 400 GB / s at a 512-bit bus.

Quote from: jdrch on July 29, 2024, 23:41:01The lack of TB4/5 is a dealbreaker for me.

In fact, TB4 vs USB40 V1 have one hidden advantage. Most monitor models with 144Hz+ and HDR do not work at these frequencies without DSC (lossy compression), because HDMI 2.1 on their input ports is cut exactly 2 times to 24Gbps, which the vile manufacturers keep silent about in the specifications.

As a result, today you can connect such a monitor only if the monitor has a TB4 input, as far as we could find out from the reviews of competent buyers. It is in this mode that you get a 40Gbps band, which is enough to output 4k@165Hz + HDR (30 bit in 4:4:4 in lossless mode).

Therefore, the lack of a TB4 port is a death sentence for any desktop and laptop, if you plan to buy current monitor models 4k@144Hz+.

But you still won't be able to play effectively on them for a simple reason - most often the TB4 port is switched to igpu, not dgpu, i.e. the frame buffer is rendered in the system memory, which dramatically reduces fps in games and 3D software.

That's why DP2.0+ with UHBR10 at least is so important, which officially appeared in Zen4 Phoenix igpu, but it is still not there, to the shame of NVidia/AMD, in their discrete video chips. AMD has DP2.0+/UHBR20 only in professional video cards since last year.

As soon as you have a DP2.0+/UHBR20 interface, the topic of extremely clear (almost like a laser printer) fonts on screens up to 32" will be closed forever, because 8k monitors will immediately give 250ppi+ even on 32".

But even UHBR20 is already morally obsolete because it cannot provide smooth rendering in dynamics even in 2D, because 60Hz+ is not available there. Formally, TB5 is cooler than DP2.0+/UHBR20, but the nuance is that 120Gbps there is made for a different reason - because there is support for 2xDP2.0+, even in 120Gbps mode, one monitor will only have 60Gbps (as now on DP1.4b in TB4 there are shameful 20Gbps in 2-monitor mode, although DP1.4b, the full version, requires 32Gbps), which is 20Gbps less than the full version of DP2.0+/UHBR20 with 80Gbps.

Thus, today there is simply nothing to connect potential 8k@120Hz models to - even TB5 cannot deliver 160Gbps.

Despite the fact that DP2.0/UHBR20 was released in another era, in 2019(!), i.e. exactly 5 years ago, to the shame of the IT industry, it has not yet been put into mass operation. And at the same time, it was already morally obsolete at the start for the reason stated above...

That is why the days of copper wires are numbered - at distances of up to 2m and above, the only solution can be optics with a bandwidth of 160Gbps+.

The lack of TB4/5 is a dealbreaker for me.

Quote from: rk on July 29, 2024, 16:25:46It will release with 8/256 base spec and for 32/1T you will have to shell out $3000+. 8/256 will be way cheaper, it will be the fastest media consumption / typewriter device out there but for that you don't need so much "performance".

Then you'd better start working and saving for a proper new macbook instead of yapping on the internets.

Typical windows->mac immigrant:
"why mac is too expensive"
buys his first crappy windows laptop
"why mac is too expensive"
buys his second crappy windows laptop
"why mac is too expensive"
buys his third crappy windows laptop
tired of windows bullshit and finally buys mac
"ah now i get why"

Quote from: IT amateur on July 29, 2024, 13:13:36When the M4 MBP's release, I think we can finally stop and put to rest the whole arm vs x86 battle. It's going to completely destroy everything.

It will release with 8/256 base spec and for 32/1T you will have to shell out $3000+. 8/256 will be way cheaper, it will be the fastest media consumption / typewriter device out there but for that you don't need so much "performance".