Quote from: Miro on July 13, 2024, 16:46:37Who is not interested in better NPU, they are still free to buy 7000 series models.

Which were in short supply and remain so. So the task is impossible.

The ratio of laptop production with Intel vs AMD is 5:1. But in reality (on the shelves) everything is even worse.

This site has 1 (one) review of the 7640U - which should be the most popular SoC in dozens of laptop models, if not more...

This site has 1 (one) review of the 7640U - which should be the most popular SoC in dozens of laptop models, if not more...

Buying a business laptop with the right keyboard (full numpad), a normal set of ports and the right power plug, with the same 7840U, and even at an adequate price for the most banal 32GB/2TB configuration is a practically impossible task in 2024.

QuoteWhich is completely meaningless in practical problems solved by ordinary people.

Who is not interested in better NPU, they are still free to buy 7000 series models.

Quote from: Miro on July 11, 2024, 18:50:02the only change being more powerful NPU.

Which is completely meaningless in practical problems solved by ordinary people.

Hawk Point is an incremental upgrade to former Phoenix point, the only change being more powerful NPU.
Strix point is the real upgrade that comes after 12 months.

I would welcome more often releases with incremental improvements over time (the as is AMD approach), rather than waiting for a new release for years, even though it was significant.

The update cycle is a bit too fast for my taste. It's like every 6 months a new APU comes out:

August 2023 Phoenix Point
January 2024 Hawk Point
August 2024 Strix Point
...


Doesn't feel good if you want to buy something and feel "up-to-date" or "supported" for at least 1-2 years.

P.S.: not that the slow update cycle of Intel is better... but eventually it seems like each company is extremist in its own way...

After having seen different tests of the new AMD ZEN 5 and its new NPU, I am one of those who will wait for these new laptops since the improvements that AMD has made are much greater than those expected from Intel and I am not gamer, I don't need a dedicated graphics card, just a light ultrabook with CPU + NPU + iGPU power

Unfortunately, unlike Zen 5 desktop, I don't think strix point is gonna be cheaper until another 6 more months. Most of the laptops launching initially come with Nvidia dGPUs that'll also no doubt inevitably charge that additional premier tax/margin for the privilege.

I'd say lunar lake will save us but seeing as lol how little SDXE has changed the landscape of laptop pricing thus far, I'm starting to have my doubts there as well.

just move the trash to the strix point and make them cheaper

creating more climate marketing change trash...when already the 7840hs does about the same job as the 8845hs, just with slightly higher tdp and without npu