Quote from: GeorgeS on August 23, 2024, 02:29:58If we roll back the clock to the time when the IBM-PC was introduced the real ONLY selling point was the STACK's upon STACK's of SOFTWARE that was available for it at LAUNCH.
Granted Qualcomm does not have the weight, leverage and market sway that IBM did in the early 1980's but seemingly NOBODY is bragging about everything that might run on a Win-on-Arm device.

You can resist as much as you want, direction is set. As for rigidity of Windows user base, even transition from 32 to 64 bit took 3 or 4 years on Windows (and 2 os versions).

Quote from: YUKI93 on August 22, 2024, 12:09:22Totally agree. The moment Windows ARM has similar, if not better, native software compatibility with Windows x86, I see little reason to go x86. The only reason to go x86 is hardware upgradability.

If we roll back the clock to the time when the IBM-PC was introduced the real ONLY selling point was the STACK's upon STACK's of SOFTWARE that was available for it at LAUNCH.

Granted Qualcomm does not have the weight, leverage and market sway that IBM did in the early 1980's but seemingly NOBODY is bragging about everything that might run on a Win-on-Arm device.

Quote from: ghm on July 18, 2024, 17:16:19

Quote from: Teddy Car on July 17, 2024, 04:06:33You should add a COMPATIBILITY section in future article for any arm based PC in the future, so that it wont mislead ppl to buy this and encounter a compatibility problem in the future...

Don't whine, it took apple about a year to bring apps to the architecture. Will be even slower in case of Windows, gamers and retrogrades will keep clinging to x86 like it's mom's titty.

Totally agree. The moment Windows ARM has similar, if not better, native software compatibility with Windows x86, I see little reason to go x86. The only reason to go x86 is hardware upgradability.

Quote from: vladteapa on July 01, 2024, 14:35:56How something that throttles this badly, after one short cinebench run, can be recommended?

If there's a special sauce I'm not sure this is it...

Benchmark scores aren't everything, just saying.

Quote from: indy on June 30, 2024, 17:35:17Boggles my mind that reviewers are just casually ignoring the vast swaths of incompatibility these Windows on ARM chips people will encounter.  At this point you might as well go with a Mac or a Linux box,because you *will* eventually run into some serious lack of ability to run something that Windows has provided for 3+ decades now: near perfect backwards compatibility.

You forgot about the early days of macOS ARM adaptation. It's still no different here. Also, Linux ARM still isn't as widely compatible as Linux x86 anyway.

I'm still not convinced about having OLED panels on laptops since there's still a high tendency for screen burn-in problems like we always see on smartphones. I can see better performance with the X Elite when compared to the X Plus, but I can miss the X Elite for now since Windows ARM is still not as mainstream as Windows x86.

Quote from: Teddy Car on July 17, 2024, 04:06:33You should add a COMPATIBILITY section in future article for any arm based PC in the future, so that it wont mislead ppl to buy this and encounter a compatibility problem in the future...

Don't whine, it took apple about a year to bring apps to the architecture. Will be even slower in case of Windows, gamers and retrogrades will keep clinging to x86 like it's mom's titty.

You should add a COMPATIBILITY section in future article for any arm based PC in the future, so that it wont mislead ppl to buy this and encounter a compatibility problem in the future...

Has anyone tested drivers like printer and scanner drivers on ARM?

Back when Windows was moving to 64-bit, there were a bunch of drivers still only supporting 32-bit and refuses to work on 64-bit Windows.

Is this the same case with ARM where we need to find ARM compatible drivers?

How something that throttles this badly, after one short cinebench run, can be recommended?

If there's a special sauce I'm not sure this is it...

I haven't encountered any compatibility issues. Even autohotkey works. I heard some Adobe software is not yet compatible but I don't use it, Sumatra is a much better reader and has a native arm client. Anyway Adobe promises a fix by end of July.

Boggles my mind that reviewers are just casually ignoring the vast swaths of incompatibility these Windows on ARM chips people will encounter.  At this point you might as well go with a Mac or a Linux box,because you *will* eventually run into some serious lack of ability to run something that Windows has provided for 3+ decades now: near perfect backwards compatibility.

That doesn't even include the possibility that the data you see on these devices might not be accurate?  How do I trust a program on an OS that doesn't run code natively?

Personally will avoid these until there are years of other people testing them.  I'm OK with plugging in my 10+ year old laptop every once in a while.

"we recorded DC dimming at a frequency of 120 Hz which is potentially more damaging than traditional PWM" what does that mean, how dc dimming has a frequency?

"Loud and hot" - nothing changed compared to  Amd/Intel. Now even Core Ultra is as fast unplugged (on battery) as plugged to wall. Looks like to much was put on speed than efficency. Surface Pro, fanless at 15W (like Macbook Air) would be perfect - probably same single threaded performance, worse multithreaded or gaming, but gaming is not possible even now at 60W.