Quote from: Kin Yalbets on August 04, 2024, 12:36:05All I can say is my CoPilot+ PC is the first Windows laptop I've had in the past 10 years that is pleasure to use.  Light, fast, quiet, cool.

Why even post praises without mentioning the exact model. They all are different.

All I can say is my CoPilot+ PC is the first Windows laptop I've had in the past 10 years that is pleasure to use.  Light, fast, quiet, cool.

You are missing a key benchmark.
Copilot+ is marketing itself as an edge AI system so where are the most relevant tests of all about AI benchmarks, such as UL Procyon??
The only reason I would buy this PC is for this reason, yet you barely mention it? Poor form.

After Intel/AMD marketing war dust settled

www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1XJAOf_W5w

really good efficiency in REAL-WORLD dev workflow, obliterates Meteor Lake FOR WORK.
X Plus better efficiency than M3 and overall a more interesting chip probably, unless you are buying laptop to run benchmarks 24/7.

one more generation and it will be on point. By that time all software should be available as ARM native too, apple silicon too didn't have all software available at launch

Very good. Qualcomm not allowing reading SoC package power makes efficiency test a lot harder but this is still the most (and almost only) useful review so far.

For CPU perf/efficiency benchmark, Zen 4 can get 70-80% of Avalanche at 20w, which is decent. But in actual light daily usage, there is still a huge power difference between the ARM and efficient x86 processors, as expected. That's the reason why X1E/X1P should exist.

Quote from: Consumer_Not on June 26, 2024, 17:53:55Then it can be a real workhorse.

With a mass market share of 2% of strength. This also doesn't make sense. This is how a market share, where everything has already been divided, is not won.

We need to offer the average buyer something better than Windows+x86, for the same or less money. No one on the planet today is capable of this, otherwise Intel + AMD would have long ago lost the entire desktop and laptop market. AMD is at least clearly withdrawing from the x86 laptop and desktop market, because it did not even try in its best years since 2017 to sharply increase its market share by expanding production at TSMC. Although at that time this was obviously an extremely unprofitable strategy given the presence of Intel's cache. As a result, it waited until Intel itself was forced to bow to TSMC and now they are actually on equal terms in terms of technical process capabilities, i.e. AMD's chances will now rapidly melt like snow in June...

The only real chance for a X Elite laptop to shine will be with a Linux OS.

Then all applications are compiled natively, as with all architectures in Linux, with no garbage translation layers to slow it down/increase the consumption.

Then it can be a real workhorse.

Winning a decent share in a market niche, in the first few years, when there is a powerful player with an overwhelming market share, is always a deliberate loss-making operation during these years, i.e. with maximum benefit for buyers. It is obvious that neither the management/beneficiaries of Qualcomm, nor the laptop manufacturers, whom they must sponsor for this enterprise, are NOT ready for such sacrifices, which means everything is in vain a priori.

No matter how much false marketing tries, prices that are several times higher than real demand will put everything in its place.

I have already written many times, without having its own ecosystem (like Apple) other company trying to get into the x86 market (by the way, it is interesting why Intel does not attack everyone who tries to apply x86 processing, as it did before - apparently it does not consider Apple, and especially Qualcomm, as competitors, and AMD is their eternal antitrust gasket, which they will never let go bankrupt), there is only one chance - full compatibility, plus performance NOT lower than that of Intel/AMD processors, with the same level of consumption and no more. And low prices. Which in reality no other option has. Therefore, their chances of gaining a foothold in the mass x86 market are negligible.

It's weird how almost nobody is talking about the price.

Most, if not all, 32GB RAM configurations are well above 2000$. That's an insane mark-up for a soldered RAM machine that has trouble running native x86 software. Pretty sure Zen 5 and whatever Intel is cooking next is going to bury this. This chip is not even that competitive with current gen x86 chips.

This in not an Apple M competitor chip as it cannot run fanless and windows is not MACOS.

Quote from: NikoB on June 20, 2024, 19:37:19In the multi-threaded test, the CBR24 supposedly won the M3 Max, but in the energy efficiency picture at the top of the list is no longer the M3 Max, but the simple M3 (the author probably hoped that no one would notice the substitution), which loses to any AMD in the multi-threaded test exactly 1.5 times, and the M3 Max there is no even multi-threaded energy efficiency in the results, which means that it is below par and loses even to hot Intel chips.

that's because they have never measured M3Max in Cinebench 2024, lol

They have efficiency numbers for Cinebench R23 w/screen off though
M3 382 points/W
M3Max 306 points/W
155H 242 points/W

if you don't know why M3Max is less efficient than M3 then you shouldn't be here at all in the first place (spoiler - because it has much more to power)

Quote from: Consumer_Not on June 23, 2024, 13:13:07is more efficient, faster,

yeah if your workflow is running benchmarks 100% of the time

Quote from: Consumer_Not on June 23, 2024, 13:13:07by Phaux

guy is a nobody
amd shills are ready to trust anyone as long as he is in their echo chamber

Actually, when previous gen Zen 4 is configured to the same optimum TDP for the X Elite, the AMD is more efficient, faster, and runs everything... Not to mention the just released Zen 5 which is even better.

So the conclusion of this review is simply wrong.

Review on Youtube by Phaux. Impressive! But Also Not?! Snapdragon X Elite

nice vid explaining why the same X Elite machine can have a million different benchmarks (spoiler - Windows usual power plan/power mode fuckery)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDRV9eEJOk8

Andreas Osthoff — if you are the editor of this article, tell me how you calculated points/per watt for multi core. Did you take Cinebench 2024 as a reference? If so, what kind of formula did you use? Cause, I am getting different numbers....