If Windows is configured well, its speed has remained about the same on the same hardware. Microsoft and OEMs provide bloatware, from which one can suffer or, by deactivating it, not suffer. Deactivating it is a matter of once circa one hour. If I were a naive beginner user and did not inform myself how to deactivate, I might run away from Windows. However, I am an experienced user and prefer the time investment of deactivation.

Same for telemetry or data stealing, except that the necessary time investment for Windows 7 was minutes and, after very much preparation, has become three hours for Windows 10 or 11. I am not amused but prefer to spend the time to create an acceptable Windows configuration with almost no telemetry and without data stealing. (Note: on Windows data stealing way beyond telemetry only occurs by programs designed to do so, such as cloud clients. This is like iCloud transfer and terms, which, if the user agrees once at all, steals data via iCloud.)

Same for ads, but all active ads are removed within minutes and the few remaining passive ads (mainly suggestions to transform a Local to a Microsoft account, or for MS Office subscriptions) are harmless.

During major Windows updates or installations of some softwares (especially of big companies), bloatware must be avoided or immediately removed / deactivated. This is nasty but requires discipline much more than time. The major problem of this is not for the experienced Windows users but the bad advertisement Microsoft and some OEMs / software companies do against Windows by adding bloatware or stickers. Such could be an excuse to leave Windows but, for the experienced user, is harmless. It is, however, harmful for naive computer users who do not know how to avoid bloatware.

To avoid all such things, I might avoid macOS, i(Pad)OS, Android, ChromeOS, Windows, Ubuntu etc. and use some more respectable Linux. However, Linux involves, in particular, these problems:
- high time investment during learning,
- time investment for security configuration similar to such on Windows if done well,
- some programs I need are unavailable for Linux and I would have to use compromise programs with restricted functionality,
- some specialised hardware, of which I always have some, lacks drivers on Linux,
- there is very limited choice for mobile devices.

Linux would not save me time but I would have to invest very much more time than needed for good Windows configuration. Linux is not an option for my advanced software and hardware needs. Without such needs, other endusers might switch more easily to Linux than I could. If other endusers neglect good security configuration, their time investment would also be much lower than mine because I would want at least the same degree of security as on Windows and such does take very much time on Linux as a Linux beginner.

You may have thought that my alternative OS options would include Apple, Google or Chinacrap but, if so, you are wrong. The time investment of a few hours for Windows configuration is extraordinarily much better than the wars by Apple, Google and Chinacrap against their endusers.

Linux (other than Ubuntu) may be the least evil if it works for one's needs. Otherwise, Windows is the second-least evil, which I use because it works for my needs.

My needs include Nvidia dGPUs, and, with current hardware, that leaves Linux and Windows as only all-round options anyway. For my, other OSs can, at best, only be for secondary mobile devices at all.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on June 12, 2024, 14:40:15We know. Thanks to our outcry for years, both will be opt-in / deactivated by default. Of course, they will be further things to regularly check whether Windows updates "accidentally" activate them or their Windows Services.

Is it some kind of Windows crowd special olympics, keep using OS while hating on it constantly and checking if it cheated after every update.
"Oh Windows is slower and slower"
"Oh windows watches what i'm doing more and more"
"Oh windows puts more and more ads in"
"Oh i have to clean ms bloatware all the time"
"Oh windows steals my data"
***keeps using Windows

Either stop bitching or stop using it, looks pathetic.

There's an error in the article, it mentions the 890m scoring 41,995 and the 780m scoring 30,000, then says it's a 39.3% increase. That's only 29.3, lol.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on June 12, 2024, 12:00:0511 is slightly worse, of course

W11 is significantly slower in UI response than W10, I proved this by personal tests of all versions on the same hardware.

As a bonus to encourage people to switch to it, M$ even brought back the analog clock from W7, which is not in W10 even with tweaks.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on June 12, 2024, 14:40:15We know. Thanks to our outcry for years, both will be opt-in / deactivated by default. Of course, they will be further things to regularly check whether Windows updates "accidentally" activate them or their Windows Services.

Yup! That tends to "accidentally" happen to Microsoft every once in a while. Such convenient accidents...

Quote from: heffeque on June 12, 2024, 12:21:19Recall and Copilot? Neither of them are in Windows 10.

We know. Thanks to our outcry for years, both will be opt-in / deactivated by default. Of course, they will be further things to regularly check whether Windows updates "accidentally" activate them or their Windows Services.

AMD should be praying that Microsoft does not continue to completely duck up future windows versions. Because as soon as I am forced to switch to Linux, I will quit gaming.

For me multiplayer is all that matters, which is not possible on Linux due to online anticheat. If I can't game anymore, there's no need for me to remain in x86 land anymore.

Quote from: Hotz on June 12, 2024, 12:58:57That still isn't an argument to point the finger only at Windows 11 and declare only that that as spyware. Especially when it's known that Windows 10 has been spyware since the beginning.

The last Windows without spyware was Windows 7 until SP1. But some updates after SP1 Microsoft also added spyware to it.

The fix to this problem is the same fix as always: disable that new "feature" manually or via 3rd party tools, and then pause any further updates so the configuration can't be broken by sudden new updates. It's either this or you'll have to deal with the annoyances of the linux world.

OK, I'll agree to that. I have to say... Microsoft is doing all it can to make people angry and want to go to Linux, that's for sure...

Quote from: heffeque on June 12, 2024, 12:21:19Have you heard of Recall and Copilot? Neither of them are in Windows 10.

That still isn't an argument to point the finger only at Windows 11 and declare only that that as spyware. Especially when it's known that Windows 10 has been spyware since the beginning.

The last Windows without spyware was Windows 7 until SP1. But some updates after SP1 Microsoft also added spyware to it.

The fix to this problem is the same fix as always: disable that new "feature" manually or via 3rd party tools, and then pause any further updates so the configuration can't be broken by sudden new updates. It's either this or you'll have to deal with the annoyances of the linux world.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on June 12, 2024, 12:00:05Windows 10 and 11 are essentially the same as to privacy, except that 11 needs yet a few more configuration tweaks. In their defaults, 11 is slightly worse, of course. There is no point in calling 11 spyware but 10 not. Either both or (after configuration effort) neither.

Have you heard of Recall and Copilot? Neither of them are in Windows 10.

Windows 10 and 11 are essentially the same as to privacy, except that 11 needs yet a few more configuration tweaks. In their defaults, 11 is slightly worse, of course. There is no point in calling 11 spyware but 10 not. Either both or (after configuration effort) neither.

Well... The 7945HX has something that the HX 370 will never have: support for the superior Windows 10.

It seems that with the HX370, AMD will drop support for Windows 10 and only support Spyware 11 (and Linux, which might be the way to go for HX 370 users that are not willing to downgrade from Windows 10 to Spyware 11).

The Zen 5 processor comes out practically 5 months before the Intel one, there is no Intel test yet but everyone knows that their iGPUs have always been lower in Performance/W and that Intel chips have always consumed more and produced more heat.
I would love for this website to make a comparison of MINISFORUM V3 vs the latest Surface 10 pro vs Galaxybook4 with Qualcomm