Quote from: NikoB on May 16, 2024, 17:45:58You will have to prove this by direct comparison of damage at all stages, including disposal. Otherwise, it's just another "opinion" of yours.

I know, only you are not tied down by burden of proof

I am also not sure why you are fixated on the disposal of a EV battery since it posses little environmental risk. That said, that EV battery will likely see a decade of use after as energy storage, and then recycled. Recycling the battery is far less environmental harm than making new so it is actually a net reduction to environmental harm

You will have to prove this by direct comparison of damage at all stages, including disposal. Otherwise, it's just another "opinion" of yours.

Quote from: NikoB on May 13, 2024, 10:44:09

Quote from: anan on May 13, 2024, 09:40:27Long term - EVs are better than ICE vehicles.

Absolutely not, if we take into account all the factors that harm the planet's ecology, from the creation of batteries and electric vehicles, to their disposal and generation of energy for them, and the harm from the development of these means of generating electricity. Green energy is essentially unprofitable without subsidies, as is the growing failure of sales, because fanatics with money ended and ordinary people began, able and forced to count money. And then it turned out that the internal combustion engine absolutely wins.

The transport tax on electric vehicles should be at least 2-3 times higher due to the obvious much greater damage to road surfaces from cars with a much larger operating weight. No amount of wider tires will solve this problem. Therefore, it is inevitable - owners of electric vehicles everywhere will pay higher transport taxes and this is correct.

They are also required to pay for environmental damage in countries where lithium and all other ingredients are mined and processed.

If you factor in all environmental damage, cradle to grave, ICE cars do far more damage.

Fossil fuels are essentially unprofitable without government subsidies or protections.

PS A gallon of oil does more environmental damage than a gallon of lithium

Quote from: anan on May 13, 2024, 09:40:27Long term - EVs are better than ICE vehicles.

Absolutely not, if we take into account all the factors that harm the planet's ecology, from the creation of batteries and electric vehicles, to their disposal and generation of energy for them, and the harm from the development of these means of generating electricity. Green energy is essentially unprofitable without subsidies, as is the growing failure of sales, because fanatics with money ended and ordinary people began, able and forced to count money. And then it turned out that the internal combustion engine absolutely wins.

The transport tax on electric vehicles should be at least 2-3 times higher due to the obvious much greater damage to road surfaces from cars with a much larger operating weight. No amount of wider tires will solve this problem. Therefore, it is inevitable - owners of electric vehicles everywhere will pay higher transport taxes and this is correct.

They are also required to pay for environmental damage in countries where lithium and all other ingredients are mined and processed.

This smells of NIMBY. And maybe the work safety argument could be valid. Otherwise, environmental impact arguments were addressed long ago. Germany has more stringent environmental regulations than US. Elon has complained about this during the initial construction. But all of this was addressed. Long term - EVs are better than ICE vehicles. Battery recycling is possible and being done. A lot of first gen Teslas are nearing their lifespan. That is because those early S's were not as good as current models as far as battery longevity goes. Up to this point most of battery failures were "premature". But those early models just were not made to last more than 10 years. But current LFP models should last two decades.

"Environmentalists" are a self-proclaimed designation of Fossil-Fuels shills.
It's a typical false-flag operation.
You will find the funding for such operations in the oil, gas, coal, and... yes... German auto industry, as they can't compete with Chinese imports or Tesla (but they can get their governments to impose taxes on Chinese EV's, something that they cannot do against Tesla.)

The "greens" need to shout more about the stupid growth of the population by 2 times since the 1970s and the barbaric deforestation in South America (the population has more than doubled), Russia (despite the fact that the population there has fallen in 35 years), Africa ( the population grew more than 4 times). If, of course, you believe in this official legend.

Let's stabilize the population at the level of the early 1970s! And let's reduce the consumption of developed countries by 3 times! And we will not allow anyone else to increase consumption above the specified level. And over 100 years we will gradually reduce the excess population to 1.5-2 billion well-educated, productive people, happy people, provided with everything necessary at the everyday level for a creative life and achievements for the benefit of civilization and science. And everything will be fine with the planet right away!

Great to see residents fighting for their homeland.

Whether they are right or wrong, it's their home to decide, not ours. Too many times people have been trampled on by unelected bureaucrats.

Not only attacking a building, also attacking the freedom and rights of other persons  like right to work, travel etc.

Quote from: Mr Majestyk on May 12, 2024, 02:25:53Ah yes the bipolar criminal is all for free speech as long as it's right wing extremism or himself.

Ah yes, the free "speech" consisting of attacking a building.

Quote from: Fjo on May 11, 2024, 23:02:54

Quote from: hugh mungus on May 11, 2024, 22:24:44I wonder which OPEC backed oil company funded them, or perhaps it was Gazprom?

Tesla's main competitor is BYD. The CCP has a big reach and desire to dominate the EV market.

Yes but BYD doesn't have the money or political clout to throw money into the "use false flag environmental protestors to attempt to harm competition". Meanwhile it's documented that oil companies, including state owned ones in OPEC and OPEC aligned countries, do indeed engage in that.

16 people.  Production not stopped. Look at Elons tweet regarding the same

Wait! What? Are these crazy lunatics for EV vehicles? I am confused and can't keep up with the psycho left

Activist= Extremists that journalists agree with.
Extremist= Extremists or not that journalists don't agree with.

Quote from: hugh mungus on May 11, 2024, 22:24:44I wonder which OPEC backed oil company funded them, or perhaps it was Gazprom?

Tesla's main competitor is BYD. The CCP has a big reach and desire to dominate the EV market.