Everything works for me too, even in W11, but only on old hardware (and rare models where the S3 code has not yet been cut out of the firmware), which S3 fully supports. Owners of many new series of laptops write back - they are no longer compatible with S3, despite the fact that it can be enabled.

I have already proven many times who the clown is here. =)

Quote from: NikoB on March 26, 2024, 12:53:50So who is the clown here is a rhetorical question.

It's the person who claims something to be the case...

Quote from: NikoB on March 25, 2024, 18:58:20Manufacturers of firmware, including BIOS, from that moment began to cut out the working code of S3 (STR) and therefore the work of S3 with all equipment is pure luck.

...and then when proven wrong flips the narrative from "manufacturers of firmware, including BIOS" to:

Quote from: NikoB on March 26, 2024, 12:53:50The presence of the S3(STR) item in the BIOS and in the OS settings or utilities does not guarantee anything these days.

Oh look, damn. It is really you, what a shocker 😳 Not really.

The S3 works completely fine with W10 and W11 though, as long as the option is there in the BIOS to choose it. Not all OEMs include it. I just tested it on the ThinkPad P1 G5 (21DC) and Linux S3 was all what was needed to choose in the BIOS under "Sleep State" to get S3 in Windows 11. Easy. If no such option in the BIOS, well then it won't work, obviously.

The presence of the S3(STR) item in the BIOS and in the OS settings or utilities does not guarantee anything these days. Owners of dozens of series wrote to me, in which, in the presence of these points, there were problems with the operation of S3, because Windows 10 with 20H2 no longer officially supports S3, only through editing the registry and provided that the BIOS and firmware of all components are able to handle this condition.

So who is the clown here is a rhetorical question.

Quote from: NikoB on March 25, 2024, 18:58:20

Quote from: Neenyah on March 25, 2024, 16:58:57and enable S3 sleep with that but disable Modern Standby

A deliberately stupid recommendation for laptops released after 2020.

I am well-aware that reading and understanding is too difficult for you so let me show you in the original post:

Quote from: cb on March 25, 2024, 16:17:51I'm still trying to work out why HP laptops in particular consume power when shutdown?

(hint: last two words)

Set it to S3 and battery won't drain when the laptop is "shut down" (because this time it will be effectively identically shut as with shutdown /s /f /t 0 or shutdown /s /t 0).

Quote from: NikoB on March 25, 2024, 18:58:20Manufacturers of firmware, including BIOS, from that moment began to cut out the working code of S3 (STR) and therefore the work of S3 with all equipment is pure luck.

The latest models confidently work with S3 (STR) - 2019 and early 2020. It was in 2020 that M$ officially disabled the S3 mode in Windows 10.

Stop being a paranoid clown with your conspiracy theories. This is in the X1 Carbon Gen 10 from 2022 with the latest BIOS: https://imgur.com/K3kb6qw

Only US government agencies, upon special request to the manufacturer (these are publicly known facts), can receive computers, servers and laptops with Intel ME/AMD PSP truly disabled. And I doubt that even here the special services did not leave themselves the last loophole...

Quote from: Neenyah on March 25, 2024, 16:58:57and enable S3 sleep with that but disable Modern Standby

A deliberately stupid recommendation for laptops released after 2020. Manufacturers of firmware, including BIOS, from that moment began to cut out the working code of S3 (STR) and therefore the work of S3 with all equipment is pure luck.

The latest models confidently work with S3 (STR) - 2019 and early 2020. It was in 2020 that M$ officially disabled the S3 mode in Windows 10.

Second point. Even in S3(STR), if you leave an x86 laptop for several days, the battery will be guaranteed to drain and die.

S3 is NOT recommended for use if the laptop is left without power for more than a day. For these purposes, there is a hibernation mode, if it is absolutely necessary for the laptop to wake up with a fully working environment. True, those who tried to use hibernation write that this mode is not equal to S3 (STR) - there are losses there.

Before the advent of mass-produced SSDs, S3(STR) was the only salvation for quickly turning on a computer at home in a fully working system and with loaded software within 1-2 seconds. Consumption in S3 is approximately 4-7W.

Now, with an SSD, there is no point in keeping the laptop asleep, even in S3. This is simply dangerous for the battery.

This makes sense if the laptop is connected to the power supply 100% of the time. Then S3 is good for a quick start in a system that is fully loaded with software.

S0 (sometimes called S5) requires careful tuning because... M$ deliberately made it look like a smartphone by default to make it easier to spy on the owners of such PCs (and not at all for their supposed convenience), especially considering that all x86 have remote control beyond the will of their owners through Intel ME and AMD PSP coprocessors. Which, if there is power and access to the network via cable (and even wi-fi), are capable of controlling a PC even with the power formally turned off, if this is not a complete physical power outage. They can turn on the PC, remotely enter the BIOS and install software/OS or delete data.

And you can't do anything about it unless you disable Intel ME/AMD PSP on your motherboards using undocumented means (various exploits).

Remember that the official disabling offered when purchasing laptops from manufacturers' websites does NOT actually disable Intel ME/AMD PSP completely! This only disables the first (publicly known) control loop like vPro technologies. But the undocumented part remains working!

Quote from: cb on March 25, 2024, 16:17:51I'm still trying to work out why HP laptops in particular consume power when shutdown?

Because Modern Standby is great in theory but in practice... Actually it's great in practice too ONLY if OEMs do optimisations on their end also, Microsoft can't do it alone.

So laptop despite being turned off is not off completely (use shutdown /s /t 0 in CMD/Powershell to shut it down completely, then it won't consume any battery).

Check this video from LTT for more info about it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OHKKcd3sx2c

Quote from: cb on March 25, 2024, 16:17:51It's no fun picking up a laptop some days after charging it up fully only to find the battery is completely flat.

Especially given that Li-ion batteries get permanently damaged when left flat.

Auto power on options are all off.

Only OEM can fix that with proper BIOS implementation and then pushing the update. Until then the only functional workarounds are to either switch to Linux in the BIOS power settings (default is Windows) - and enable S3 sleep with that but disable Modern Standby - or to unplug the charger cable BEFORE putting the laptop to sleep or shutting it down. Or use the command above as a perfectly fine solution for true shutdown.

I'm still trying to work out why HP laptops in particular consume power when shutdown?

It's no fun picking up a laptop some days after charging it up fully only to find the battery is completely flat.

Especially given that Li-ion batteries get permanently damaged when left flat.

Auto power on options are all off.

second ssd is probably 2242.

Second slot for storage is 2230, as in the 450g9. I'd love to see the author of this review squeeze a full-sized 2280 in there.

Quote from: NikoB on March 06, 2023, 20:59:1514" is too small to fit even a browser window.

Wow, now that is some epic exaggeration 😅

Quote from: NikoB on March 06, 2023, 20:59:15Not to mention effective work without harm to vision.

So what's the point of all 14" ThinkPads?

Quote from: NikoB on March 06, 2023, 20:59:15Only use as a system unit with an external keyboard and monitor. But in this version, the Acer Aspire 5 2022 is head and shoulders above this series, at a lower price.

Very true about the mentioned Acer (which also comes at 14"), but its 15.6" is only 1.6"/4.06 cm more than here, doesn't make that much difference but at least a browser windows can maybe fit 🥴

We need 32" laptops, apparently.

On the wretched keyboard of any 14 "laptop, in principle, it is not possible to quickly enter numbers or carry out group operations without a numpad. So working with Excel on such a laptop automatically turns into Hell. 14" is too small to fit even a browser window. Not to mention effective work without harm to vision.

Only use as a system unit with an external keyboard and monitor. But in this version, the Acer Aspire 5 2022 is head and shoulders above this series, at a lower price.

Both series are not strong enough for frequent carrying in not very neat conditions. And in the office, this HP series definitely loses to Acer.

Scary how bad that screen is. I guess only justifiable for permanent spreadsheet work and that without colors...

Overpriced series vs. Acer Aspire 5 2022 14". For office use.