I love USPS.   Inexpensive, efficient,  happy, well paid employees with many veterans employeed there.  What I wonder is why politicians try to.destroy such a great thing.

It's hard to have any sympathy for UPS. When Amazon announced plans to establish their own delivery system, FedEx told them to pound sand. UPS decided to dig their own grave by handling Amazon's overflow and all of their returns. UPS will devolve into a specialty carrier with very few employees, like DHL in the US. I don't think it's really fair to blame the union contract or the union employees.

Ultimately, everyone who is competitive will find a new job, and with higher pay, at least nominally. As usual, on the one hand, I feel sorry for the old people, at pre-retirement age, but on the other, they are all adults and capable people and are obliged to control the risks of life, clearly aware of what is happening around them. Many people forget what world they exist in, turning into "snowflakes" (and now this is generally the mainstream among young passive generations) and sooner or later retribution for this loss of adequacy finds them, like animals, when they forget about the constant risks Around them.

Compassionate people call for humanity, but "humanity" has the other side of the coin, leading to a loss of life adequacy by the majority of the population, who have decided that someone will do all the work for them to control life risks. But this does not happen - the one who supposedly takes upon himself such "care" of other people's risks, over time, takes away their rights/freedoms, turning such obedient and gullible people into ordinary slaves of the system. And then, on the basis of such slaves, who have become the majority of the population, a pseudo-democracy is built, i.e. the power of the majority. But can slaves be citizens and have the right to vote? And how much is their voice worth (what's the point?) given their mentality? In this way, pseudo-states are formed, with the government in reality representing organized criminal groups and nothing more, skillfully manipulating and subordinating to their interests the majority of the stupid and cowardly population, unable to independently control all life risks and ultimately turning into a brainless herd of sheep led to slaughter. ..

You are so misinformed it's absurd, they are laying off 12000 employees in general, not managers exclusively. Entire shifts and hubs are being shut down and union employees and supervisors alike are being laid off, and it has to do primarily with volume being absurdly low across the board.

Same money fewer hours doesn't sound like a bad bargain. More time with family, more time for living.

Oh AI will not take people's jobs. Robots will not take people's jobs they sure as hell will. The robot will be driving in a UPS truck that is driven on auto pilot with AI. And the robot will deliver the package to the door. Bye bye drivers you are next on the chopping block. People will be outsourced by AI and robots. Then the owners and CEO will get triple pay. Bye bye world as you know it. There will be a handful of rich greedy bastards. And a world full of homeless poor hungry people.

Quote from: AntiOrange on February 11, 2024, 04:04:29Twelve THOUSAND managers? Makes one wonder how necessary they were in the first place.

The managers are important the CEO is doing this to increase her salary, I guess 20 million was not enough.

So when are we going to start laying off CEOs with AI and CGI? Because they probably make as much as those 12k employees put together, and that's one individual.

Got some mail here!

I haven't used ups for a long time.  I've been using usps.  I know everyone hates them but my mailman is awesome I always get my whatnot.

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Quote from: John J Jacobs on February 10, 2024, 21:49:56UPS has a horrible union contract. Of course, they will concentrate on killing non-union jobs.

Union killed UPS with this latest contract. Yes labor can and should organize but you can over do it to the point you ruin your own future.

UPS is so friggin greedy! Cut down on us part time preloaders hours by 35%!
Two more years for me there! Rooting to see UPS go under!

I'm a part time preloader in NJ. Making less now after the Union contract because our hours have been drastically cut! I was making more at 19 dollars an hour then at 21.75 an hour.
My average peak hours between 20-19 and 2022 was around 51.75 hours a week.
In 2023, avg peak hours was 36.5 a week.
Doing the math I made about 2,800 dollars LESS this peak, then in the past 4 years of peak seasons.
But the Union dues went up! LMAO!
And they keep hiring new workers and letting them go after three months, before they can get into the union.

UPS is laying off 12,000 employees, but small businesses like ours are still being notified by UPS to expect a rate increase. Make it make sense.

Quote from: Neenyah on February 10, 2024, 18:21:54Why not fire everyone but drivers?

Fire the drivers as well, and replace them by autonomous vehicles.

Now... if companies who expanded their workforce during covid and are currently retracting would have the same mindset with the cost of goods and services as they have also spiked and gone down on the wholesale/back end. This inflation crap is purely based on greed and completely unnecessary to this extent. All these companies are continuing to make record profits. You're telling me somewhere along the line from front worker to ceo and shareholders they can't better support their workers/middle managers? Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional or part of the problem. I can't wait for the boomers to leave this planet. We'll lose some good ones in the process but it is a necessary transition.